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04-22-2006, 06:21 PM | #1 |
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| I need advice, If you have 2 dogs of more please help. Tinkerbell is my Yorkie and I also have a maltese, the problem is that I have always kept Chiquito in an X-pen and Tinkerbell has always stayed out FREE, meaning she gets to be out all the time. Chiquito is a little over 6 months and he is not completely potty trained as for Tinkerbell she is about 95% potty trained. When I got her she was 6 weeks old and just so tiny that I was afraid to "cage" her. The problem is that she feels the house is hers, everytime we let Chiquito out to play, she attacks him if he even gets near any of us or touches any toys, when it comes to snack time she will hide hers and wont let Chiquito eat his . What can I do to make Tinkerbell not attack so possesive of the house? . |
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04-22-2006, 06:34 PM | #2 |
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| show her who's is boss but saying NO real LOUD!!! |
04-22-2006, 06:44 PM | #3 | |
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I would think that with time both dogs will learn to accept each other.
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04-22-2006, 07:04 PM | #4 |
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| all of mine are jealous of one another. Buckeye, being my first and the smallest, is the one who usually attacks. I watch him and when I see he "stalking', I say 'be a good boy'. usually he will leave them alone. but I have to watch him carefully. I never leave them in the house alone unless i have the 2 pups in a cage. Buckeye was really bad when we first got Ahia. We traveled for 3 days in the car after picking her up. He didn't want her in his car. He didn't want her near his nana or pa. He did't want her eating. He didn't want her sleeping in the same room. The second we walking in our house I put them both on the floor and He bacame a different dog to her. He was welcoming her into our home. He never plays and she did. He would tollerate her and when he had had enought he would put her in her place. I wanted him to be able to do that and let her know he was the alpha because I knew she was going to be much bigger than him. I didn't want him hurt by her. They all know he is the boss and he knows I am the boss over him. I let him dominate even now because he is smaller and they play rough. He still does not play. They all get equal attention or at least try to. I do try to greet him first when I come home. That seems to help.
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04-22-2006, 07:18 PM | #5 |
Lovin' 2 Girls Donating Member | Everyone knows who rules this house: the 5lb Yorkie! She runs rough shod over the 24lb mix, Mozart. Thing is - he could snap her like a twig; but, he's so gentle and loving he allows himself to be 'ruled' <wink> albeit, with MUCH grumbling, growling, and ado. We find ourselves protecting Mo from Abbie, instead of the other way around. We hope they will, eventually, settle down to peaceful coexistence once Abbie grows up a bit.
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04-22-2006, 07:34 PM | #6 |
Donating YT 14K Club Member | I've seen this issue talked about and worked through on that Dog Whisperer show. Basically, Caesar Milan would take the aggressive dog and lay the dog on it's back (in a submissive position). Then, he would take one of this other dogs and position the dog on top of the one that is on it's back. According to Caesar, this (not his exact words) "humbles" the aggressor. If the dog makes an aggressive move to another dog, you are suppose to immediately lay the dog on his/her back and put the other dog over them again. I do not have this issue in my home and of course, haven't had to try this technique but it's something you can consider. Best of luck!
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04-22-2006, 07:50 PM | #7 |
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| Thank you all, Tinkerbell is the smaller dog here, my maltese is about 3 1/2 and tinkerbell is almost 2lbs. Whenever Chiquito(my maltese) comes out and I call him to hold him she comes running at me and demands attention. She wont leave him alone at all. She even cries I will try that summision thing, they dont show that show here in Korea I wish they did. |
04-22-2006, 07:55 PM | #8 | |
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04-22-2006, 07:56 PM | #9 |
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| I may not be of any help at all, because I have three doggies and they all get along fine. even when my yorkie had puppies she didn't mind the other two at all but i separated them anways. the only time there was ever any slight bit of jealousy is when im brushing one dogs hair, they all want their hair brushed at the same time in due time, i'm planning to get another yorkie, to make 4 be the complete total of my household |
04-22-2006, 07:59 PM | #10 |
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| Sorry I do not agree with Cesar's theory on this. There are many things he does right but this one - I don't think so based on the following information on Alpha Roll or going for the kill: Note: The information in the following article came from an interview with Dr. Ian Dunbar, who spent nine years studying the social behavior of dogs during the study mentioned below. In an earlier version of this article, Dr. L. David Mech was credited with the 30-year study. This was a mistake. The researcher who conducted the study was Dr. Frank Beach. An effort has been made to correct this error. However, if you know of a place where the original article was published, please notify the editor and request a correction. The original alpha/dominance model was born out of short-term studies of wolf packs done in the 1940s. These were the first studies of their kind. These studies were a good start, but later research has essentially disproved most of the findings. There were three major flaws in these studies: These were short-term studies, so the researchers concentrated on the most obvious, overt parts of wolf life, such as hunting. The studies are therefore unrepresentative -- drawing conclusions about "wolf behavior" based on about 1% of wolf life. The studies observed what are now known to be ritualistic displays and misinterpreted them. Unfortunately, this is where the bulk of the "dominance model" comes from, and though the information has been soundly disproved, it still thrives in the dog training mythos. For example, alpha rolls. The early researchers saw this behavior and concluded that the higher-ranking wolf was forcibly rolling the subordinate to exert his dominance. Well, not exactly. This is actually an "appeasement ritual" instigated by the SUBORDINATE wolf. The subordinate offers his muzzle, and when the higher-ranking wolf "pins" it, the lower-ranking wolf voluntarily rolls and presents his belly. There is NO force. It is all entirely voluntary. A wolf would flip another wolf against his will ONLY if he were planning to kill it. Can you imagine what a forced alpha roll does to the psyche of our dogs? . Finally, after the studies, the researchers made cavalier extrapolations from wolf-dog, dog-dog, and dog-human based on their "findings." Unfortunately, this nonsense still abounds. So what's the truth? The truth is dogs aren't wolves. Honestly, when you take into account the number of generations past, saying "I want to learn how to interact with my dog so I'll learn from the wolves" makes about as much sense as saying, "I want to improve my parenting -- let's see how the chimps do it!" Dr. Frank Beach performed a 30-year study on dogs at Yale and UC Berkeley. Nineteen years of the study was devoted to social behavior of a dog pack. (Not a wolf pack. A DOG pack.) Some of his findings: Male dogs have a rigid hierarchy. Female dogs have a hierarchy, but it's more variable. When you mix the sexes, the rules get mixed up. Males try to follow their constitution, but the females have "amendments." Young puppies have what's called "puppy license." Basically, that license to do most anything. Bitches are more tolerant of puppy license than males are. The puppy license is revoked at approximately four months of age. At that time, the older middle-ranked dogs literally give the puppy hell -- psychologically torturing it until it offers all of the appropriate appeasement behaviors and takes its place at the bottom of the social hierarchy. The top-ranked dogs ignore the whole thing. There is NO physical domination. Everything is accomplished through psychological harassment. It's all ritualistic. A small minority of "alpha" dogs assumed their position by bullying and force. Those that did were quickly deposed. No one likes a dictator. The vast majority of alpha dogs rule benevolently. They are confident in their position. They do not stoop to squabbling to prove their point. To do so would lower their status because... Middle-ranked animals squabble. They are insecure in their positions and want to advance over other middle-ranked animals. Low-ranked animals do not squabble. They know they would lose. They know their position, and they accept it. "Alpha" does not mean physically dominant. It means "in control of resources." Many, many alpha dogs are too small or too physically frail to physically dominate. But they have earned the right to control the valued resources. An individual dog determines which resources he considers important. Thus an alpha dog may give up a prime sleeping place because he simply couldn't care less. So what does this mean for the dog-human relationship? Using physical force of any kind reduces your "rank." Only middle-ranked animals insecure in their place squabble. To be "alpha," control the resources. I don't mean hokey stuff like not allowing dogs on beds or preceding them through doorways. I mean making resources contingent on behavior. Does the dog want to be fed. Great -- ask him to sit first. Does the dog want to go outside? Sit first. Dog want to greet people? Sit first. Want to play a game? Sit first. Or whatever. If you are proactive enough to control the things your dogs want, *you* are alpha by definition. Train your dog. This is the dog-human equivalent of the "revoking of puppy license" phase in dog development. Children, women, elderly people, handicapped people -- all are capable of training a dog. Very few people are capable of physical domination. Reward deferential behavior, rather than pushy behavior. I have two dogs. If one pushes in front of the other, the other gets the attention, the food, whatever the first dog wanted. The first dog to sit gets treated. Pulling on lead goes nowhere. Doors don't open until dogs are seated and I say they may go out. Reward pushy, and you get pushy. Your job is to be a leader, not a boss, not a dictator. Leadership is a huge responsibility. Your job is to provide for all of your dog's needs... food, water, vet care, social needs, security, etc. If you fail to provide what your dog needs, your dog will try to satisfy those needs on his own. In a recent article in the Association of Pet Dog Trainers (APDT) newsletter, Dr. Ray Coppinger -- a biology professor at Hampshire College, co-founder of the Livestock Guarding Dog Project, author of several books including Dogs : A Startling New Understanding of Canine Origin, Behavior, and Evolution; and an extremely well-respected member of the dog training community -- says in regards to the dominance model (and alpha rolling)... "I cannot think of many learning situations where I want my learning dogs responding with fear and lack of motion. I never want my animals to be thinking social hierarchy. Once they do, they will be spending their time trying to figure out how to move up in the hierarchy." That pretty much sums it up, don't you think? Melissa Alexander mcalex@connectexpress.com copyright 2001 Melissa C. Alexander
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