Questions regarding breeders and mixed breeds.

[FlyingNimbus]

Okay so I know majority of dog owners in forums kind of like these- and I would guess most in dog shows would say they hate the thought of crossbreeds.

But I wanted to ask, weren't all dogs originally made from some crossbreed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTXMschqbZE

Yorkies were bred from other types of dogs all mixed up and it took them quite some time to gain actual recognition.


Like all other breeds- yorkies are technically a crossbreed from the airedale and skye terriers and from the now extinct clydesdale and paisly terriers....


So my question is, wouldn't a pure bred yorkie mixed with say a purebred maltese make a whole new breed altogether if they kept breeding their "morkies" to other "morkies" from different "lines" (i.e. no inbreeding). Like say you take 50 male maltese, and 50 female yorkies and you bred them together, and those 50 couples would then produce a litter of 2-6 puppies.

Those puppies would grow up -- unaltered/unneutered and were then bred with the same kind of dog but just different parents? I.e. no inbreeding. Wouldn't that eventually make it their own breed if they kept the ones with the traits they wanted to breed, and spayed/neutered the ones that didn't?

Basically how does a new breed form and why are people against it?

Why are people so against "designer" breeds? We have Sasha a cocker spaniel and poodle cross(parents are both pure bred in their own respective breed), and she has had no hereditary issues or any major issues asides from the sensitive stomach which isn't sole to her as other dogs from perfectly pure lines have had issues far worse than her?


I kind of liked the idea of a cross because they're cute (not going to deny it) but I also think this is how new breeds are made.

My bottom line question is why are people against it if the breeder in question(not saying there are- but I am saying if there was) would test both parents for genetic issues, would keep them appropriately (i.e. not in some cold dark room) , they're fed the appropriate diets, they're taken to the vets regularly and they're not grossly overpricing the pups.

I just wanted to gain some insight on all of this. Not trying to call out or bash on anyones beliefs... more like trying to understand the views.

[DvlshAngel985]

I'll kinda answer your question with a question:
What percentage of breeders that are out there fit the description that you put forth above? I would say a very, VERY small percentage keep track of lineage, take awesome care of their pups, and really do this to bring about a characteristic that can be useful or to better the breed. Breeding for cute really doesn't bring much to the world as there are cute pups everywhere, even in shelters.

Just my 2 cents...

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I'll kinda answer your question with a question:
What percentage of breeders that are out there fit the description that you put forth above? I would say a very, VERY small percentage keep track of lineage, take awesome care of their pups, and really do this to bring about a characteristic that can be useful or to better the breed. Breeding for cute really doesn't bring much to the world as there are cute pups everywhere, even in shelters.

Just my 2 cents...

True. Maybe our luck with that one breeder was just that. Pure dumb luck. Is it too much to ask for a good breeder that would do something like that? I can see that a lot of people would scrutinize them but still.

Would really like to see new actual breeds in the world

[canana]

Unfortunately the fact of the reality is that most people out there crossing breeds are either not well-informed about dog health or just don't care and are really just about making money.

'Designer' breeds is just marketing. It's basically targeting a certain group who want designer clothing and handbags, who can/will spend thousands, who could easily replace one sick puppy with another. For those greedy greedy people, it seems so easy-- put two dogs together and make $3000-$5000 each puppy. It's kind of a vicious cycle, where the puppies are the most innocent.

Or for those who don't know better and think it'd be a fun experience to cross-breed their dogs. They usually end up giving away the puppies to friends/family who don't even want puppies. There are enough dogs in the shelter that won't ever have homes.

[matese]

Originally Posted by canana

Unfortunately the fact of the reality is that most people out there crossing breeds are either not well-informed about dog health or just don't care and are really just about making money.

'Designer' breeds is just marketing. It's basically targeting a certain group who want designer clothing and handbags, who can/will spend thousands, who could easily replace one sick puppy with another. For those greedy greedy people, it seems so easy-- put two dogs together and make $3000-$5000 each puppy. It's kind of a vicious cycle, where the puppies are the most innocent.

Or for those who don't know better and think it'd be a fun experience to cross-breed their dogs. They usually end up giving away the puppies to friends/family who don't even want puppies. There are enough dogs in the shelter that won't ever have homes.

Well said

[JennaPenny]

Originally Posted by canana

Unfortunately the fact of the reality is that most people out there crossing breeds are either not well-informed about dog health or just don't care and are really just about making money.

'Designer' breeds is just marketing. It's basically targeting a certain group who want designer clothing and handbags, who can/will spend thousands, who could easily replace one sick puppy with another. For those greedy greedy people, it seems so easy-- put two dogs together and make $3000-$5000 each puppy. It's kind of a vicious cycle, where the puppies are the most innocent.

Or for those who don't know better and think it'd be a fun experience to cross-breed their dogs. They usually end up giving away the puppies to friends/family who don't even want puppies. There are enough dogs in the shelter that won't ever have homes.

Not to mention a Morkie costs (not always, but a lot of the time) almost 1x the amount that a Registered AKC yorkie costs. Especially the "teacups." Which is RIDICULOUS.