What is the latest opinion on Biewer Terriers?

[BobbiB]

Weird post, maybe, but I am curious. I have been killing time reading ooooooold posts on here today. Just any random things that interested me mostly.

As a newer Biewer owner, of course, a lot of those posts caught my attention. It seems that about five years ago, there were quite strong opinions on Biewers for many. Now that they have fairly recently been recognized and added to the FSS program with AKC as a separate breed, I'm wondering what people's thoughts of this are?

I don't have any strong opinions, as I'm not planning on ever breeding or showing, and I got Sheldon because I just fell in love with the breed, but I am curious if opinions have changed much since the most recent formal recognization of the breed.

[MauiGirl]

I have only heard great things about Biewers, and have always wanted one myself. I've heard how their temperaments are a little more mellow than Yorkies, and they sure are gorgeous.

[intilis]

Originally Posted by MauiGirl

I have only heard great things about Biewers, and have always wanted one myself. I've heard how their temperaments are a little more mellow than Yorkies, and they sure are gorgeous.

My thoughts exactly!

[valeriejsmyth]

I have a Biewer and have had two standard yorkies which I have raised from pups. My Biewer is much sweeter and calmer than my std yorkies. I love them, but not many people are familiar with them. They tend to run larger in size than std yorkies. I love their coloration. If I had to make a choice I would probably choose Biewer. My new yorkie pup is great but so hyper right now, LOL. That may be why I am choosing Biewer right now...

[crazydoglade]

As a new biewer mommy I think they are wonderful. I bought Rita, now 16 weeks and Mimi now 14 weeks, I think, the days run together.lol. Rita isa lot more laid back but Mimi is a wild child, into everything and has my older foster terrified. As to which is the best , I couldn't choose. They're all beautiful. I do plan on showing my girls with my breeders help but no matter what I adore them.

[mimimomo]

Wow beautiful! (1st time I ever saw a Biewer picture)....
Wow beautiful! (still...)

[chachi]

I have never seen strong opinions on the biewers here everyone has known they were trying to get them established as a separate breed and everyone wished them well on that. There have been strong opinions from the different biewer clubs and pet owners about the biewers origion. I think it is kinda frowned upon here to breed biewer to yorkie for obvious reasons. The big controversy here has always been with the parti yorkies that look like the biewers because they are considered a color fault and parti owners are breeding them with chocolates or goldens or whatever to get the latest color fad to sell for the highest price the market will allow. Unfortunately you also see this type of breeding going on in the biewers to with the biro biewers and off colors so that is also frowned upon by different clubs in the biewers that think they are diluting the gene pool. So yorkie club and biewer clubs are experiencing the same frustration with some of these breeders

[BobbiB]

Originally Posted by crazydoglade

As a new biewer mommy I think they are wonderful. I bought Rita, now 16 weeks and Mimi now 14 weeks, I think, the days run together.lol. Rita isa lot more laid back but Mimi is a wild child, into everything and has my older foster terrified. As to which is the best , I couldn't choose. They're all beautiful. I do plan on showing my girls with my breeders help but no matter what I adore them.

My Sheldon is 14 weeks too he is a really good combo of playful and mild mannered. He's a little nippy during play, but nothing uncontrollable. I am smitten with the breed as a whole.

[BobbiB]

Originally Posted by chachi

I have never seen strong opinions on the biewers here everyone has known they were trying to get them established as a separate breed and everyone wished them well on that. There have been strong opinions from the different biewer clubs and pet owners about the biewers origion. I think it is kinda frowned upon here to breed biewer to yorkie for obvious reasons. The big controversy here has always been with the parti yorkies that look like the biewers because they are considered a color fault and parti owners are breeding them with chocolates or goldens or whatever to get the latest color fad to sell for the highest price the market will allow. Unfortunately you also see this type of breeding going on in the biewers to with the biro biewers and off colors so that is also frowned upon by different clubs in the biewers that think they are diluting the gene pool. So yorkie club and biewer clubs are experiencing the same frustration with some of these breeders

Well, yes, clearly splitters are frowned upon, but I saw a lot of opinions from a few years ago that really downed Biewers..."not a separate breed", "Yorkie with a color fault", even "Biewer owners try to 'hide' Biewer lineage", "never will be a separate breed"...it was kind of eerie, considering they totally are. Lol.

That said, I like a "traditional" Biewer....not a splitter, strong black saddle, white tummy, legs, tail, and chin. Never chocolate, and I'm more smitten with the above four and a half pound group.

I also know that Biewers don't have a set pattern that is "correct". I just like the look of the "original" standard.

[crazydoglade]

Originally Posted by chachi

I have never seen strong opinions on the biewers here everyone has known they were trying to get them established as a separate breed and everyone wished them well on that. There have been strong opinions from the different biewer clubs and pet owners about the biewers origion. I think it is kinda frowned upon here to breed biewer to yorkie for obvious reasons. The big controversy here has always been with the parti yorkies that look like the biewers because they are considered a color fault and parti owners are breeding them with chocolates or goldens or whatever to get the latest color fad to sell for the highest price the market will allow. Unfortunately you also see this type of breeding going on in the biewers to with the biro biewers and off colors so that is also frowned upon by different clubs in the biewers that think they are diluting the gene pool. So yorkie club and biewer clubs are experiencing the same frustration with some of these breeders

I've always thought that when you breed you're trying to get a certain look and temperament of that particular breed. Why take chances with your babies to get something "different". Some of the out breeding can cause lethal diseases such as blue yorkies the australian shepards tragedy of the so called double merele. As far as breeding biewers to yorkies if you believe that biewers are separate breed from yorkies then what you have is a mixed breed dog not a purebred.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by crazydoglade

I've always thought that when you breed you're trying to get a certain look and temperament of that particular breed. Why take chances with your babies to get something "different". Some of the out breeding can cause lethal diseases such as blue yorkies the australian shepards tragedy of the so called double merele. As far as breeding biewers to yorkies if you believe that biewers are separate breed from yorkies then what you have is a mixed breed dog not a purebred.

Exactly I have respect for biewer breeders that are breeding a certain way to preserve the breed or better the breed but I will never have respect for the rogue one breeding in the different colors so they can get the highest price for the pups the market will allow. There is nothing in bettering the breed in that. That is just greedy think whats best for me type of breeding. All the controversy in past and present I have seen has been with different biewer clubs and their members not with yorkie owners. I mean yorkie owners may have shared their opinions but the big debate has been among club members

[BobbiB]

Originally Posted by chachi

Exactly I have respect for biewer breeders that are breeding a certain way to preserve the breed or better the breed but I will never have respect for the rogue one breeding in the different colors so they can get the highest price for the pups the market will allow. There is nothing in bettering the breed in that. That is just greedy think whats best for me type of breeding. All the controversy in past and present I have seen has been with different biewer clubs and their members not with yorkie owners. I mean yorkie owners may have shared their opinions but the big debate has been among club members

I did notice that most is between club members. Given that AKC are only accepting BTCA dogs into FSS, I really tend to go with the BTCA on standard and such.

[shelbysmom]

My opinion is based almost entirely on confusion and an old school viewpoint of the breed. I was around when partis and biewers were considered a mistake. I have no problem with new breeds or new colors of a breed but I am confused about how a mistaken color can become a new breed. They are absolutely beautiful but it makes my brain hurt to understand how they came from pure Yorkies but they are not Yorkies.

[BobbiB]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

My opinion is based almost entirely on confusion and an old school viewpoint of the breed. I was around when partis and biewers were considered a mistake. I have no problem with new breeds or new colors of a breed but I am confused about how a mistaken color can become a new breed. They are absolutely beautiful but it makes my brain hurt to understand how they came from pure Yorkies but they are not Yorkies.

I'm so green with it all that reading about it makes even my head spin, honestly.

I will say that the Parti/Biewer comparison makes me nutty, and I'm not sure why...lol. Maybe because I trust the AKC too much? I feel like if the MARS testing and AKC accepting Biewers as a new breed is pretty reliable. I want to dig deeper, but am not sure where to look. I do know, however, that for a Biewer to be accepted into the FSS program, they have to be DNA proven, which definitely points to a consistent difference between Biewers and Yorkies. Parti Yorkies, however beautiful, have been deemed a fault and NOT a separate breed.

Surely, with a registry as upstanding as AKC, there is a reason for this, no?

[chachi]

Originally Posted by BobbiB

I did notice that most is between club members. Given that AKC are only accepting BTCA dogs into FSS, I really tend to go with the BTCA on standard and such.

That is where I am unsure. BTCA believes in only breeding biewer to biewer. The other clubs believe to preserve the breed you need to breed biewer to parti. The parti is esentially a biewer. Same dog but they originated in US the ytca has accepted them as a color fault yorkie. The reason they believe they need to do this is the gene pool in the biewers iks too small and to breed biewer to biewer will extinct the biewer. Also breeding biewer to biewer the dogs are too closely related resulting in health problems. So I can understand why they are doing it they are trying to preserve the breed they love