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nanahas3 · 01-08-2013, 02:03 PM

Ok it seems like lately we have had lots of "issues" between us all with people who got their pups to young, who thought or were thinking about breeding, etc. I CONFESS, not knowing any better as I am OLD lol, We got Laddy from a puppy mill at barely 9 weeks old. Would I do it again now that I have found YT and no better NO. We got Kyra at 12 weeks old. Yes when I got Laddy I wanted to breed, after finding YT I learned better (thank God). I had mixed pups as a kid growing up and so did my children, along with their full breed poms. I personally love all dogs. I am thankful for YT and all it has taught me. So the point in this thread is to say, if in my past posts I have seemed judgemental of others over any of these issues, please forgive me. I like lots here have learned so much and I love this site, I hope that new people coming here can learn and grow to love it to and learn to grow a thick skin at times because sometimes we all say things as lovers of our yorkies that may of hurt feelings but we didn't mean it to at all. I got a private message from someone who was hurt and I tried to explain all this to them, so I wanted to say openly that if I have offended anyone, I am sorry. God bless you all.

KazzyK810 · 01-08-2013, 02:26 PM

I got my pup at 6 weeks....
and then posted on YT as a newbie...so you know I received a warm welcome

YT can most definately be a hostile environment to those that do get their puppies young.

Unlike the OP, I would definately get a pup that young again if possible. I know I go against the philosophy here, but I don't see the difference in coming home from the hospital with a newborn human to care for that's 24 hours old, and coming home with a young puppy. I'm equally capable of caring for both.

Nancy1999 · 01-08-2013, 02:31 PM

I feel the same way, I hope my posts don't sound so judgmental and bossy, but after having gone through the experience of owning a really sickly dog and watching it deteriorate and there was nothing I could do for him. The vet looked at me with a tear in his eye and said, “damn backyard breeders", that moment changed my life. I was thrilled to find Yorkietalk and learn how to avoid lousy breeders. I’m thrilled, I have found a breeder who breeds for the betterment of the breed. Some people think it’s because we just want some beautiful dog, but for me, it was health reasons, and I believe you increase your chances of getting a healthy dog if you go to a great breeder. Anyway, I understand where you’re coming from and I think all dogs are equal, but I don’t believe all breeders are equal.

yorkietalkjilly · 01-08-2013, 02:33 PM

Oh, Charlene, don't feel too bad as we've all been there in some form or fashion on some subject or the other. And when I see posts from newbies and I'm still pretty new myself, I just know most of us post from what we know at the time to the best of our ability and even if we are dead wrong and we hang around, we will learn and grow and hopefully pass along what we learn. I know a lot of people cut me and newbies a lot of slack for that very reason and try to be gentle with us!

yorkietalkjilly · 01-08-2013, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

I got my pup at 6 weeks....
and then posted on YT as a newbie...so you know I received a warm welcome

YT can most definately be a hostile environment to those that do get their puppies young.

Unlike the OP, I would definately get a pup that young again if possible. I know I go against the philosophy here, but I don't see the difference in coming home from the hospital with a newborn human to care for that's 24 hours old, and coming home with a young puppy. I'm equally capable of caring for both.

I couldn't disagree with you more.

Lovetodream88 · 01-08-2013, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

I got my pup at 6 weeks....
and then posted on YT as a newbie...so you know I received a warm welcome

YT can most definately be a hostile environment to those that do get their puppies young.

Unlike the OP, I would definately get a pup that young again if possible. I know I go against the philosophy here, but I don't see the difference in coming home from the hospital with a newborn human to care for that's 24 hours old, and coming home with a young puppy. I'm equally capable of caring for both.

The problem is no good breeder will give you a pup that young because they know it is wrong and not good for the pup. All breeders willing to give there pups up that young cut corners and don't do the things they should so you could very well end up with a sick pup. It makes me sad they you wouldn't want to do what is best for the pup.

chachi · 01-08-2013, 02:51 PM

I got both of mine younger than 12 weeks and I didnt get a warm reception either. I try to keep in mind these are inexperienced dog owners just learning as they go along. I dont know if I agree with the 12 week rule as far as socialization but I whole heartedly agree with it as far as a new owner maybe not having to deal with a pup with hypoglycemia problems or not eating or maybe having a young pup with diahrea and vomiting and not knowing how to deal with it properly so it dies. With the one from today I shed teears it was just so tragically unfair to the new owner. It doesnt hurt the breeder at all to keep them a little longer and not unload heartache on new owners. I know I must come accross brash at times I try not to but Im a passionate person. I try to put myself in the shoes of the new people and new dog owners though and see it from there eyes

nanahas3 · 01-08-2013, 03:37 PM

You know I have kicked myself over Laddy several times because, although I wouldn't trade him for the world, we have had some issues with separation anxiety, allegies etc. and we did have Poms before from a great breeder who kept them until 12 weeks but it had been years and it just never entered my head until I found YT why its best. This is where I learned about puppy mills to. I guess I just had my head in the sand and never knew about them before. When we got Laddy the conditions were deplorable and I just wanted him out of there. I just hope that for others who are just finding this forum you stick around long enough to realize that there are really an awesome bunch of Yorkie lovers and human beings who care here. God bless.

samsmummy · 01-08-2013, 04:35 PM

I went to the breder to pick sammi at 9 weeks old and fell instantly in love with the smallest of the litter, i brought him home at 12 weeks

TxVicki · 01-08-2013, 04:48 PM

Out of the 11 Yorkies that I have had, all but them 3 of them were Rescues I adopted.
My very first Yorkie (Spencer) was an impulse buy from a Pet Store in 1988. After I purchased I learned about puppymills. When he passed away at the age of 8, I was so distraught.
My hubby when he came on leave went and bought my Heart Girl, Lizzie for me. She came from a Flea Market, was 9 weeks old. I wish he would let me know he was going to get one. BUT I have to say she was very, very healthy. I lost her last year at the age of 15.
My one I bought from a Breeder, I waited 2 yrs for her, from teh breeder. She was 12 weeks old when I brought her home.

Never once have I ever considered being a breeder, as I know all that goes into it.
I am also a retired Vet Tech and saw many things that can go wrong with breeding.

Little mama · 01-08-2013, 05:19 PM

Because of what I have learned on YT, I do not go into pet stores, look at Craigslist, eBay, or flea markets. I got Allie from a backyard breeder, and she sufferers from horrible allergies. I love her to death but sometimes she is just miserable!. She doesn't have the best temperament, a little snippy and barks a lot!. I remember going to visit her, and when we rang the doorbell, wow were the others loud and standoffish. Never thought anything of it. Only thoughts were wow I could pay this lady 100.00 every couple of weeks and I could have an adorable puppy that I've always wanted. I think people are defensive when they feel guilty about something or do not like the truth. If I EVER add to my yorkie family I will definitely buy the breeder first then the puppy. Well learned advice from you guys!!

rubynrosie · 01-08-2013, 05:27 PM

Charlene-

I think this was a great subject to post...and especially for newbies to read. I am very grateful for each piece of advice/opinion I read on Yorkie Talk. It took me a bit I will admit to start posting as I was afraid of getting "crucified" for doing the "wrong" thing with my yorkies. I have learned as a newbie don't take things personally and have a thicker skin...why??? YT is a passionate bunch of yorkie lovers. There are numerous years of experience with yorkies on here. Can you imagine if we all posted our years of experience and added it up how many years that would total????? Many have either made the same mistakes, been through the same experience and/or have researched subjects more thoroughly than I can even imagine. If they can prevent a yorkie going through a negative experience, stop bad practices etc, they are going to do their best to stop it/help in any way they can. Sometimes that's telling it how they see it in a very straight foward manner that my Minnesota nice says hey that didn't sound so nice...but im learning...its for the dogs and that's what counts!! So my confession...my first yorkie came from a backyard breeder...I bought her on line ,I never saw her parents, I didn't see where she lived as the breeder met me half way in a store parking lot and she was just around 8 weeks old and I fed low end food....ughhhhhh...could I have done one more thing wrong???? You would have thought I would have learned with Ruby-Sioux in that I so tried to let the breeder let me have her earlier than later....thank goodness she said no and explained why!

lynzy420 · 01-08-2013, 05:37 PM

I can't go in to details cuz I am especially melancholy today about it...but Mini was my bought too early, spent too much, petshop puppy....owning her has given me great joy but continues to cost me a lot of money because of her never ending born in puppy mill, brokered by Hunte, sold to a pet shop issues etc...

I continue to work with a group and some lawmakers who are serious about stopping this atrocity in my area. I picket the store, I spread the word, over and over and over and over again...here and in the real world...I can't look at Mini and not continue to do so. What amazes me is how much I still learn here every day and I just take it and add it to my knowledge base...I am so glad to have the opportunity to help, if I can, and if I do makes it all worth repeating a million times more...redundant...I KNOW...but necessary!

Alora · 01-08-2013, 06:25 PM

This is a subject that is a quite the topic on YT. There are people who didn't know any better and bought a furbaby too young, we shouldn't judge them because of the fact that they did NOT know any better. I know sometimes in the heat of the moment we can get a little mean because of how much we love the breed but we should all stop and remember when we were just as naive. All we can do is give them advice and hope they learn their lesson, now if a person purposefully bought a really young puppy, knowing full well the danger, that is when we can judge them and be angry.

I bought Henri when he was 9 weeks old. I didn't know before I got him that puppies should be at least 12 weeks old before leaving their mother, I did research Yorkies and knew all about how to care for them but no where in my search did I see information about how old the puppy should be before going to it's new home. After seeing on YT the error I made I learned from it, but also I was afraid to post on here when I got my furbaby because of the backlash. I got lucky, I ended up with a healthy and happy puppy that grew up into a beautiful and healthy standard Yorkie. I realize how lucky I was though that I had no problems with Henri, so many things could have gone wrong. I don't regret getting Henri when I did, but next time I get a puppy I will make sure that it is 12 weeks old or more before bringing it home.

TeshaQ · 01-08-2013, 07:39 PM

I know I'm a newbie and I'm glad I found this site... I won't get my puppy for another 3 weeks when she is 12 weeks. As I read posts I too become anxious about some of the comments the more experience make towards others. With that said, I take ownership for my anxious feelings. After all, this is written word and the only person who can put a tone to them is the reader. I do realize that there is so much passion and love for our fur family. However, I think it would be prudent (in some cases) to ask clarifying questions before being accusatory. Sometimes (rescues, poor doggie situations) it is best for the dog to get out of their situation and not wait the 12 weeks. As I read, I'm finding that some assume then have to backtrack and apologize. I guess what I'm trying to say is learn the full story first.

01-08-2013, 02:03 PM	#1
nanahas3 ♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,290	Confession Good for the Soul :) Ok it seems like lately we have had lots of "issues" between us all with people who got their pups to young, who thought or were thinking about breeding, etc. I CONFESS, not knowing any better as I am OLD lol, We got Laddy from a puppy mill at barely 9 weeks old. Would I do it again now that I have found YT and no better NO. We got Kyra at 12 weeks old. Yes when I got Laddy I wanted to breed, after finding YT I learned better (thank God). I had mixed pups as a kid growing up and so did my children, along with their full breed poms. I personally love all dogs. I am thankful for YT and all it has taught me. So the point in this thread is to say, if in my past posts I have seemed judgemental of others over any of these issues, please forgive me. I like lots here have learned so much and I love this site, I hope that new people coming here can learn and grow to love it to and learn to grow a thick skin at times because sometimes we all say things as lovers of our yorkies that may of hurt feelings but we didn't mean it to at all. I got a private message from someone who was hurt and I tried to explain all this to them, so I wanted to say openly that if I have offended anyone, I am sorry. God bless you all. __________________ *CharleneMama to Laddy and Kyra and Always in our hearts Lolita*

01-08-2013, 02:26 PM	#2
KazzyK810 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Michigan USA & Sheffield UK Posts: 4,119	I got my pup at 6 weeks.... and then posted on YT as a newbie...so you know I received a warm welcome YT can most definately be a hostile environment to those that do get their puppies young. Unlike the OP, I would definately get a pup that young again if possible. I know I go against the philosophy here, but I don't see the difference in coming home from the hospital with a newborn human to care for that's 24 hours old, and coming home with a young puppy. I'm equally capable of caring for both. __________________ Karan & ZoE (Chelsea )

01-08-2013, 02:31 PM	#3
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	I feel the same way, I hope my posts don't sound so judgmental and bossy, but after having gone through the experience of owning a really sickly dog and watching it deteriorate and there was nothing I could do for him. The vet looked at me with a tear in his eye and said, “damn backyard breeders", that moment changed my life. I was thrilled to find Yorkietalk and learn how to avoid lousy breeders. I’m thrilled, I have found a breeder who breeds for the betterment of the breed. Some people think it’s because we just want some beautiful dog, but for me, it was health reasons, and I believe you increase your chances of getting a healthy dog if you go to a great breeder. Anyway, I understand where you’re coming from and I think all dogs are equal, but I don’t believe all breeders are equal. __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals

01-08-2013, 02:33 PM	#4
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	Oh, Charlene, don't feel too bad as we've all been there in some form or fashion on some subject or the other. And when I see posts from newbies and I'm still pretty new myself, I just know most of us post from what we know at the time to the best of our ability and even if we are dead wrong and we hang around, we will learn and grow and hopefully pass along what we learn. I know a lot of people cut me and newbies a lot of slack for that very reason and try to be gentle with us! __________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis

01-08-2013, 02:51 PM	#7
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I got both of mine younger than 12 weeks and I didnt get a warm reception either. I try to keep in mind these are inexperienced dog owners just learning as they go along. I dont know if I agree with the 12 week rule as far as socialization but I whole heartedly agree with it as far as a new owner maybe not having to deal with a pup with hypoglycemia problems or not eating or maybe having a young pup with diahrea and vomiting and not knowing how to deal with it properly so it dies. With the one from today I shed teears it was just so tragically unfair to the new owner. It doesnt hurt the breeder at all to keep them a little longer and not unload heartache on new owners. I know I must come accross brash at times I try not to but Im a passionate person. I try to put myself in the shoes of the new people and new dog owners though and see it from there eyes __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

01-08-2013, 03:37 PM	#8
nanahas3 ♥Love My Snuggle Bugs♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 4,290	You know I have kicked myself over Laddy several times because, although I wouldn't trade him for the world, we have had some issues with separation anxiety, allegies etc. and we did have Poms before from a great breeder who kept them until 12 weeks but it had been years and it just never entered my head until I found YT why its best. This is where I learned about puppy mills to. I guess I just had my head in the sand and never knew about them before. When we got Laddy the conditions were deplorable and I just wanted him out of there. I just hope that for others who are just finding this forum you stick around long enough to realize that there are really an awesome bunch of Yorkie lovers and human beings who care here. God bless. __________________ *CharleneMama to Laddy and Kyra and Always in our hearts Lolita*

01-08-2013, 04:35 PM	#9
samsmummy Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: doncaster south yorkshire uk Posts: 136	I went to the breder to pick sammi at 9 weeks old and fell instantly in love with the smallest of the litter, i brought him home at 12 weeks __________________ SAMSMUMMY MY YORKIE IS MY BABY

01-08-2013, 04:48 PM	#10
TxVicki Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: At Home Posts: 8,386	Out of the 11 Yorkies that I have had, all but them 3 of them were Rescues I adopted. My very first Yorkie (Spencer) was an impulse buy from a Pet Store in 1988. After I purchased I learned about puppymills. When he passed away at the age of 8, I was so distraught. My hubby when he came on leave went and bought my Heart Girl, Lizzie for me. She came from a Flea Market, was 9 weeks old. I wish he would let me know he was going to get one. BUT I have to say she was very, very healthy. I lost her last year at the age of 15. My one I bought from a Breeder, I waited 2 yrs for her, from teh breeder. She was 12 weeks old when I brought her home. Never once have I ever considered being a breeder, as I know all that goes into it. I am also a retired Vet Tech and saw many things that can go wrong with breeding. __________________ [SIZE="3"VICKI & ALLIE[/SIZE]

01-08-2013, 05:19 PM	#11
Little mama Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ft myers,fl usa Posts: 169	Because of what I have learned on YT, I do not go into pet stores, look at Craigslist, eBay, or flea markets. I got Allie from a backyard breeder, and she sufferers from horrible allergies. I love her to death but sometimes she is just miserable!. She doesn't have the best temperament, a little snippy and barks a lot!. I remember going to visit her, and when we rang the doorbell, wow were the others loud and standoffish. Never thought anything of it. Only thoughts were wow I could pay this lady 100.00 every couple of weeks and I could have an adorable puppy that I've always wanted. I think people are defensive when they feel guilty about something or do not like the truth. If I EVER add to my yorkie family I will definitely buy the breeder first then the puppy. Well learned advice from you guys!!

01-08-2013, 05:27 PM	#12
rubynrosie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: ada mn usa Posts: 1,362	Charlene- I think this was a great subject to post...and especially for newbies to read. I am very grateful for each piece of advice/opinion I read on Yorkie Talk. It took me a bit I will admit to start posting as I was afraid of getting "crucified" for doing the "wrong" thing with my yorkies. I have learned as a newbie don't take things personally and have a thicker skin...why??? YT is a passionate bunch of yorkie lovers. There are numerous years of experience with yorkies on here. Can you imagine if we all posted our years of experience and added it up how many years that would total????? Many have either made the same mistakes, been through the same experience and/or have researched subjects more thoroughly than I can even imagine. If they can prevent a yorkie going through a negative experience, stop bad practices etc, they are going to do their best to stop it/help in any way they can. Sometimes that's telling it how they see it in a very straight foward manner that my Minnesota nice says hey that didn't sound so nice...but im learning...its for the dogs and that's what counts!! So my confession...my first yorkie came from a backyard breeder...I bought her on line ,I never saw her parents, I didn't see where she lived as the breeder met me half way in a store parking lot and she was just around 8 weeks old and I fed low end food....ughhhhhh...could I have done one more thing wrong???? You would have thought I would have learned with Ruby-Sioux in that I so tried to let the breeder let me have her earlier than later....thank goodness she said no and explained why! __________________ Bobbi and her two favorite girls...Ruby-Sioux and Rosie Too . We you Lola Marlene Bubbles

01-08-2013, 05:37 PM	#13
lynzy420 Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Posts: 7,652	I can't go in to details cuz I am especially melancholy today about it...but Mini was my bought too early, spent too much, petshop puppy....owning her has given me great joy but continues to cost me a lot of money because of her never ending born in puppy mill, brokered by Hunte, sold to a pet shop issues etc... I continue to work with a group and some lawmakers who are serious about stopping this atrocity in my area. I picket the store, I spread the word, over and over and over and over again...here and in the real world...I can't look at Mini and not continue to do so. What amazes me is how much I still learn here every day and I just take it and add it to my knowledge base...I am so glad to have the opportunity to help, if I can, and if I do makes it all worth repeating a million times more...redundant...I KNOW...but necessary! __________________ The Above advice/comments/reviews are my personal opinions based on my own experience/education/investigation and research and you can take them any way you want to......Or NOT!!!

01-08-2013, 06:25 PM	#14
Alora Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Hayden, ID Posts: 754	This is a subject that is a quite the topic on YT. There are people who didn't know any better and bought a furbaby too young, we shouldn't judge them because of the fact that they did NOT know any better. I know sometimes in the heat of the moment we can get a little mean because of how much we love the breed but we should all stop and remember when we were just as naive. All we can do is give them advice and hope they learn their lesson, now if a person purposefully bought a really young puppy, knowing full well the danger, that is when we can judge them and be angry. I bought Henri when he was 9 weeks old. I didn't know before I got him that puppies should be at least 12 weeks old before leaving their mother, I did research Yorkies and knew all about how to care for them but no where in my search did I see information about how old the puppy should be before going to it's new home. After seeing on YT the error I made I learned from it, but also I was afraid to post on here when I got my furbaby because of the backlash. I got lucky, I ended up with a healthy and happy puppy that grew up into a beautiful and healthy standard Yorkie. I realize how lucky I was though that I had no problems with Henri, so many things could have gone wrong. I don't regret getting Henri when I did, but next time I get a puppy I will make sure that it is 12 weeks old or more before bringing it home. __________________ www.HugaPUPs.com *For the love of pups*

01-08-2013, 07:39 PM	#15
TeshaQ Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Magnolia, DE, USA Posts: 27	I know I'm a newbie and I'm glad I found this site... I won't get my puppy for another 3 weeks when she is 12 weeks. As I read posts I too become anxious about some of the comments the more experience make towards others. With that said, I take ownership for my anxious feelings. After all, this is written word and the only person who can put a tone to them is the reader. I do realize that there is so much passion and love for our fur family. However, I think it would be prudent (in some cases) to ask clarifying questions before being accusatory. Sometimes (rescues, poor doggie situations) it is best for the dog to get out of their situation and not wait the 12 weeks. As I read, I'm finding that some assume then have to backtrack and apologize. I guess what I'm trying to say is learn the full story first.