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CoCos_Mom · 03-21-2012, 04:05 AM

Ok, so my BFF and I have a set of Yorkie "twins". LOL I have the girl, and she has the boy. We have been obsessing over our babies and looking at photos, watched Westminster together end everything. So after watching it, my BFF asks if she thinks that some breeders "buck" they system and color their dogs hair to meet that standard for showing. I was like, oh, heck no!!! They couldn't, they wouldn't, they would be banished.......so on and so on. So.......she comes across this video with a man "coloring???" a Yorkie.

I don't think this is dye though? Maybe some sort of "color enhancer" for their natural color???

I know a lot of you who have been around here for a while would know about this product, but can you explain it to me?

color system

BLowry · 03-21-2012, 04:14 AM

I am not a breeder or a shower but, have friends that have done both. I don't think showers would be allowed to dye their dogs,....I do know that they have this powder to put on white dogs to make their coat brighter...We do have breeders and showers on here...I'm sure they can give you the answer.

navillusc · 03-21-2012, 04:54 AM

I saw the video of the man coloring the dog and the 'color system' stuff about a year ago and was a bit freaked out by it.

My understanding of how the color works is that it isn't permanent...more like a temporary rinse...along the lines of the 'covers only the gray' advertising mentality. However, I used a temporary rinse once that was supposed to be "Light Ash Blonde" and lighter than my own color...for "highlights"...as recommended by friends who were in hair stylist school...and it turned my hair a gorgeous brunette...and I washed it over and over to get that temporary coloring out. If it works the same, the color would be there for several washings and maybe could be done far enough in advance to be difficult to detect.

I also understand that it is not allowed in conformation shows to color the dogs to 'match' the standard, but whether or not it is being done I have no idea and wouldn't speculate. I do not know if show judges pour through a Yorkies hair looking for signs of coloring, now that the 'color system' is readily available for purchase, but I seem to recall reading something a time back about it being a violation of some kind to color a dog for conformation showing and the dog would be out of the competition if coloring was discovered. I neither breed nor show dogs, but I have seen some posts in various places indicating that some people do these things for competition. I would really like to believe that they are all honest about their dogs winning on true merit and do not do stuff like that.

But then again...there is that Westminster Champion Collie...the offspring of a blind and deaf deliberately created double merle...

Micah my love · 03-21-2012, 05:15 AM

Chris Christensen also put out a blackener for their nose...so there is a lot more goes on than most realize, unless you are into showing

mugwee1 · 03-21-2012, 05:52 AM

I do know if there noses are not the right color some of them will have the noses tatooed to make the3m black.

gardengirl77 · 03-21-2012, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mugwee1

I do know if there noses are not the right color some of them will have the noses tatooed to make the3m black.

Ugg, that makes me really sad. Poor babies.

carmen in nj · 03-21-2012, 06:04 AM

oh your be surprised of all the tricks, handlers and breeders do to make sure their dogs LOOK like the book description, I know of a breeder that used chalk to make his dog whiter, and a silky breeder that used dye in his silky to hide some of the mix blonde in the coat.. you REALLY be super surprise of the things that go on in there..LOL

CoCos_Mom · 03-21-2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Micah my love

Chris Christensen also put out a blackener for their nose...so there is a lot more goes on than most realize, unless you are into showing

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Originally Posted by mugwee1

I do know if there noses are not the right color some of them will have the noses tatooed to make the3m black.

Okay.......uhm....

I can't say it enough!!!! You have GOT to be kidding me! I have heard it all now. SMH. I would never do that to my dog, but I guess if someone had a dog that was "perfect" (as far as matching the breed standard), and all that stood in their way was the coloring of the dogs nose.....I see how/why they would do that, but still.....

Every dog can't be a show dog, but you can treat him/her like they are!

pinkpatty · 03-21-2012, 06:26 AM

I have not been in the show ring for more than 30 years when I showed my Standard Poodle. At that time alot of show owners and handlers used chalk and other means to make a dog look closer to standard. If it was happening then, it happens now.

CoCos_Mom · 03-21-2012, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pinkpatty

I have not been in the show ring for more than 30 years when I showed my Standard Poodle. At that time alot of show owners and handlers used chalk and other means to make a dog look closer to standard. If it was happening then, it happens now.

Chalk??? Aren't they afraid that the judges will get the temporary "color" on their hands? I mean, the judges do touch these dogs. I guess I just can't imagine the gall of some of these people.

gracielove · 03-21-2012, 07:01 AM

I have never shown a dog but I have family members that have and do. I have purchased dogs from several people who show and in the past I did show Himalayan cats. I know that people would like to think that the show ring is full of people with the highest of integrity but it just isn't so. Some people may have a beautiful dog that has a fault here and there and they will try to champion it by disguising the faults with color or by various other tricks. There is a lot of fierce competition going on in those rings and there are a lot of tricks of the trade going on at all times. It is very unfortunate but the people who play by the rules are many times beat out by the people who want to win at all costs. It has driven a lot of good people out of the business.
Sometimes color is used to to get the edge and not necessarily to cover a fault. Getting the coat just a little darker or lighter may make that dog catch the eye of the judge a bit more than the other dog. There are so many things that go on behind the scenes that you just don't want to know.

megansmomma · 03-21-2012, 07:57 AM

There are cheaters in every walk of life as well as very honest people that play by the rules. In the end it will eventually come back to bite you in the end if you cheat.

CouversMom · 03-21-2012, 08:07 AM

I saw that video a while ago, and it doesn't surprise me... People lie and cheat to get what they want. Why would they stop when it comes to showing dogs? Sad...

CoCos_Mom · 03-22-2012, 05:47 AM

I guess y'all are right and I was just being naive. What a shame. Hmph, I guess I will still watch dog shows, but I think I'll end up being a little less enthusiastic.....

BLACBroome2007 · 03-22-2012, 06:18 AM

I feel bad for the dogs who don't understand, but how is this any different than pageants using Vaseline on the teeth, make up, push up bras, and spray tans?

03-21-2012, 04:05 AM	#1
CoCos_Mom Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Sandy Springs, GA, USA Posts: 176	Ok.....what's up with this?!?!?! Ok, so my BFF and I have a set of Yorkie "twins". LOL I have the girl, and she has the boy. We have been obsessing over our babies and looking at photos, watched Westminster together end everything. So after watching it, my BFF asks if she thinks that some breeders "buck" they system and color their dogs hair to meet that standard for showing. I was like, oh, heck no!!! They couldn't, they wouldn't, they would be banished.......so on and so on. So.......she comes across this video with a man "coloring???" a Yorkie. I don't think this is dye though? Maybe some sort of "color enhancer" for their natural color??? I know a lot of you who have been around here for a while would know about this product, but can you explain it to me? color system

03-21-2012, 04:14 AM	#2
BLowry My furkids Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,625 Blog Entries: 1	I am not a breeder or a shower but, have friends that have done both. I don't think showers would be allowed to dye their dogs,....I do know that they have this powder to put on white dogs to make their coat brighter...We do have breeders and showers on here...I'm sure they can give you the answer. __________________ Brenda

03-21-2012, 04:54 AM	#3
navillusc Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: FL, USA Posts: 2,767	I saw the video of the man coloring the dog and the 'color system' stuff about a year ago and was a bit freaked out by it. My understanding of how the color works is that it isn't permanent...more like a temporary rinse...along the lines of the 'covers only the gray' advertising mentality. However, I used a temporary rinse once that was supposed to be "Light Ash Blonde" and lighter than my own color...for "highlights"...as recommended by friends who were in hair stylist school...and it turned my hair a gorgeous brunette...and I washed it over and over to get that temporary coloring out. If it works the same, the color would be there for several washings and maybe could be done far enough in advance to be difficult to detect. I also understand that it is not allowed in conformation shows to color the dogs to 'match' the standard, but whether or not it is being done I have no idea and wouldn't speculate. I do not know if show judges pour through a Yorkies hair looking for signs of coloring, now that the 'color system' is readily available for purchase, but I seem to recall reading something a time back about it being a violation of some kind to color a dog for conformation showing and the dog would be out of the competition if coloring was discovered. I neither breed nor show dogs, but I have seen some posts in various places indicating that some people do these things for competition. I would really like to believe that they are all honest about their dogs winning on true merit and do not do stuff like that. But then again...there is that Westminster Champion Collie...the offspring of a blind and deaf deliberately created double merle... __________________ - Cat Brody Mia BriaStormy

03-21-2012, 05:15 AM	#4
Micah my love Donating YT 100K Club Member & Top YorkieTalk Poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: western KY Posts: 108,935	Chris Christensen also put out a blackener for their nose...so there is a lot more goes on than most realize, unless you are into showing __________________ Betty & Micah my love + Yogi

03-21-2012, 06:04 AM	#7
carmen in nj Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hopatcong, NJ, USA Posts: 4,615 Blog Entries: 74	oh your be surprised of all the tricks, handlers and breeders do to make sure their dogs LOOK like the book description, I know of a breeder that used chalk to make his dog whiter, and a silky breeder that used dye in his silky to hide some of the mix blonde in the coat.. you REALLY be super surprise of the things that go on in there..LOL __________________ My Etsy shop is OPEN... Carmen in nj

03-21-2012, 05:52 AM	#5
mugwee1 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: pa. Posts: 861	I do know if there noses are not the right color some of them will have the noses tatooed to make the3m black.

03-21-2012, 06:26 AM	#9
pinkpatty No Longer A Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: usa Posts: 238	I have not been in the show ring for more than 30 years when I showed my Standard Poodle. At that time alot of show owners and handlers used chalk and other means to make a dog look closer to standard. If it was happening then, it happens now.

03-21-2012, 07:01 AM	#11
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	I have never shown a dog but I have family members that have and do. I have purchased dogs from several people who show and in the past I did show Himalayan cats. I know that people would like to think that the show ring is full of people with the highest of integrity but it just isn't so. Some people may have a beautiful dog that has a fault here and there and they will try to champion it by disguising the faults with color or by various other tricks. There is a lot of fierce competition going on in those rings and there are a lot of tricks of the trade going on at all times. It is very unfortunate but the people who play by the rules are many times beat out by the people who want to win at all costs. It has driven a lot of good people out of the business. Sometimes color is used to to get the edge and not necessarily to cover a fault. Getting the coat just a little darker or lighter may make that dog catch the eye of the judge a bit more than the other dog. There are so many things that go on behind the scenes that you just don't want to know.

03-21-2012, 07:57 AM	#12
megansmomma Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: S. W. Suburbs of Chicago, IL Posts: 12,235	There are cheaters in every walk of life as well as very honest people that play by the rules. In the end it will eventually come back to bite you in the end if you cheat. __________________ “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” Mark Twain

03-21-2012, 08:07 AM	#13
CouversMom and Khloe Mae's too! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 14,732	I saw that video a while ago, and it doesn't surprise me... People lie and cheat to get what they want. Why would they stop when it comes to showing dogs? Sad... __________________ Michelle- mommy to Couver and Khloe Mae! http://yorkiehavenrescue.com/

03-22-2012, 05:47 AM	#14
CoCos_Mom Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Sandy Springs, GA, USA Posts: 176	I guess y'all are right and I was just being naive. What a shame. Hmph, I guess I will still watch dog shows, but I think I'll end up being a little less enthusiastic.....

03-22-2012, 06:18 AM	#15
BLACBroome2007 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 14	I feel bad for the dogs who don't understand, but how is this any different than pageants using Vaseline on the teeth, make up, push up bras, and spray tans?