IBC vs. BTRA vs. BBTR registries for Biewers

[Jennxling]

I am seeing SO MANY different registeries for Biewers. I don't know which one is equivalent to AKC for yorkies?

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Jennxling

I am seeing SO MANY different registeries for Biewers. I don't know which one is equivalent to AKC for yorkies?

I see by your signature line your getting a new baby? Is she going to be a Biewer?

[Teresamag]

It can be confusing, each one has some differing ideas about Biewers and can't agree with the other. I'm not up on which one is best but maybe some of our Biewer breeders will chime in for you. Maybe you can ask in the breeders section.

Teresa

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

I see by your signature line your getting a new baby? Is she going to be a Biewer?

Yes, I'm getting a new baby at the end of summer and she will be a biewer.

Originally Posted by Teresamag

It can be confusing, each one has some differing ideas about Biewers and can't agree with the other. I'm not up on which one is best but maybe some of our Biewer breeders will chime in for you. Maybe you can ask in the breeders section.

Teresa

Thanks! Yeah I saw that BTRA calls Biewers Biewer Terrier and BBIR just recognize them as biewers. I couldn't find much about IBC except that it's the international German registry.

[Lorraine]

None. They are nor recognized by the German Kennel Club, FCI, nor the Akc or Canadian Kennel Club.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Jennxling

Yes, I'm getting a new baby at the end of summer and she will be a biewer.




Thanks! Yeah I saw that BTRA calls Biewers Biewer Terrier and BBIR just recognize them as biewers. I couldn't find much about IBC except that it's the international German registry.

Yes it is the German registiry, BUT not the German Kennel Club. Currently Biewers are not recognized by the German Kennel Club nor FCI.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by Jennxling

I am seeing SO MANY different registeries for Biewers. I don't know which one is equivalent to AKC for yorkies?

BTRA, the Biewer Terrier Registry of America, is the registry that registers the purebred Biewer Terrier. The genetic marker is now in place on the MARS Wisdom Panel website. Via a professional blood draw they can now determine if it is a purebred Biewer Terrier.

The Biewer Terrier has been accepted by the KUSA, Kennel Union South Africa, which is equivalent to the AKC here in the USA. They are under contract with AKC and are under FCI.

Many of the BTCA members are now displaying the results on their websites of the genetic testing for purity of the Biewer Terrier.

IBC is the International Biewer Club that allows the Biewers to be bred back into the AKC Yorkshire Terrier and will give you IBC registration once you register your AKC Yorkshire Terrier with them per Dagmar, President of the IBC.

BBIR also accepts IBC registrations to register with them. The BTRA will not accept IBC registrations unless they are tested with the Wisdom Panel and come back purebred Biewer Terriers.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

There are many MANY other registries in Germany other than the IBC that register purebred Biewers as well as Biewers that breed back to yorkies (as that is still common practice of many breeders in the country of origin)

The BNR is also a club in the States that registers purebred Biewers and I have been told there is one more, however I do not know that as fact.

The BBIR only registers Biewer to Biewer breeding.


Diana

[Watchdog]

After doing my research, I wanted my own questions answered regarding the Biewer a la pon pom, the Biewer breed and the Biewer Terrier so I went to a show venue last month in New Jersey, ARBA in hopes to be able to see some of these dogs. To my delight, there were 7 Biewer Terriers being shown and what was really interesting, AKC Yorkshire Terriers were also there. I spoke to a Mr. Robert Slack who runs ARBA to get a better understanding as to why both Yorkshire Terriers and Biewer Terriers were being shown. He told me they have now gone ALL BRED under the KC USA and Rare Breed under ARBA. He explained the Biewer Terrier breed to me and said he only accepts 4 generations out now on a pedigree for the Biewer to be shown in his venue. No Black/Tan etc. etc. is allowed on the pedigree to be shown in his venue. Apparently, because of the genetic marker now established for the Biewer Terrier he is convinced it is a purebred dog in its own right. I then had the pleasure of talking with these breeders and see with my own eyes the difference in the breed. There were 3 BTCA members there I believe, and an YTCA member showing her Yorkshire terrier and Biewer Terrier. I was amazed to see the difference in the two breeds. Even the one judge was kind enough to point different things out to me regarding the standard and what he sees in the difference of the two breeds. At one point I asked them if this breed was exclusively of the Yorkshire Terrier and they explained to me there is where the difference lies. The Biewer Terrier has other breeds mixed in with it. I believe they said the Maltese, Shih Tzu, traces of others breeds that I can’t remember offhand. However, I could definitely see the Shih Tzu in it. I was also fascinated to learn they all have von Friedhecks kennel name in the pedigrees and they told me those are Werner Biewers lines, the developer of the breed.
I was so intrigued I went home with all the information that was given to me and started contacting clubs, people, etc. etc. I wanted my own questions answered directly from the sources of all clubs and interested parties. Here are the people I contacted for those wanting to do their own research.
KUSA’s website
http://www.kusa.co.za/kusa-information
Minutes of KUSA accepting the Biewer Terrier
21/01/11 minutes
http://www.kusa.co.za/kusa-information/kusa-minutes-a-agendas
Dagmar Prescow, President IBC’s email. She will respond to your questions but takes a little while as she puts it through a translator
Dagmar Przystaw byc@gmx.com
Dagmar Przystaw internationaler_biewer_yorkshire_club@gmx.de

Biewer Breed Club of America (BBCA)
Theresa Perry, President of the BBCA and also registrar for the BBIR
theresaone@charter.net
Biewer Terrier Club of America (BTCA)
Ilona Shanklin, President. She will answer any and all of your questions regarding BTRA and BTCA
delightbiewers@yahoo.com
The BTCA also has a sister club now in South Africa and their President is a Veterinarn a Maryann Duncan. She was fascinating to converse with via email and you can contact her direct at this email. They were the club instrumental in getting the Biewer Terrier accepted with KUSA and are now doing parent profiling on all Biewer Terriers.
mmooten@mweb.co.za
Geneticist at MARS Veterinary – Responded to my direct inquiry about the genetic marker for the Biewer Terrier. They have no idea what blood is being submitted, but if it is a purebred Biewer Terrier it will hit on the marker that is in place.
customercare@marsveterinary.com
I must say, about a week ago I put a deposit on one and am so excited! These dogs are absolutely gorgeous! The tail whips over their back in this beautiful plume and they are very loveable!
I must say, about a week ago I put a deposit on one and am so excited! These dogs are absolutely gorgeous! The tail whips over their back in this beautiful plume and they are very loveable!
I just wanted to share with those interested and provide direct contacts to have your own questions answered direct for the source about this wonderful breed!

[GreenwoodBiewer]

gracious.. sounds like you've been busy

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by Watchdog

After doing my research, I wanted my own questions answered regarding the Biewer a la pon pom, the Biewer breed and the Biewer Terrier so I went to a show venue last month in New Jersey, ARBA in hopes to be able to see some of these dogs. To my delight, there were 7 Biewer Terriers being shown and what was really interesting, AKC Yorkshire Terriers were also there. I spoke to a Mr. Robert Slack who runs ARBA to get a better understanding as to why both Yorkshire Terriers and Biewer Terriers were being shown. He told me they have now gone ALL BRED under the KC USA and Rare Breed under ARBA. He explained the Biewer Terrier breed to me and said he only accepts 4 generations out now on a pedigree for the Biewer to be shown in his venue. No Black/Tan etc. etc. is allowed on the pedigree to be shown in his venue. Apparently, because of the genetic marker now established for the Biewer Terrier he is convinced it is a purebred dog in its own right. I then had the pleasure of talking with these breeders and see with my own eyes the difference in the breed. There were 3 BTCA members there I believe, and an YTCA member showing her Yorkshire terrier and Biewer Terrier. I was amazed to see the difference in the two breeds. Even the one judge was kind enough to point different things out to me regarding the standard and what he sees in the difference of the two breeds. At one point I asked them if this breed was exclusively of the Yorkshire Terrier and they explained to me there is where the difference lies. The Biewer Terrier has other breeds mixed in with it. I believe they said the Maltese, Shih Tzu, traces of others breeds that I can’t remember offhand. However, I could definitely see the Shih Tzu in it. I was also fascinated to learn they all have von Friedhecks kennel name in the pedigrees and they told me those are Werner Biewers lines, the developer of the breed.
I was so intrigued I went home with all the information that was given to me and started contacting clubs, people, etc. etc. I wanted my own questions answered directly from the sources of all clubs and interested parties. Here are the people I contacted for those wanting to do their own research.
KUSA’s website
http://www.kusa.co.za/kusa-information
Minutes of KUSA accepting the Biewer Terrier
21/01/11 minutes
http://www.kusa.co.za/kusa-information/kusa-minutes-a-agendas
Dagmar Prescow, President IBC’s email. She will respond to your questions but takes a little while as she puts it through a translator
Dagmar Przystaw byc@gmx.com
Dagmar Przystaw internationaler_biewer_yorkshire_club@gmx.de

Biewer Breed Club of America (BBCA)
Theresa Perry, President of the BBCA and also registrar for the BBIR
theresaone@charter.net
Biewer Terrier Club of America (BTCA)
Ilona Shanklin, President. She will answer any and all of your questions regarding BTRA and BTCA
delightbiewers@yahoo.com
The BTCA also has a sister club now in South Africa and their President is a Veterinarn a Maryann Duncan. She was fascinating to converse with via email and you can contact her direct at this email. They were the club instrumental in getting the Biewer Terrier accepted with KUSA and are now doing parent profiling on all Biewer Terriers.
mmooten@mweb.co.za
Geneticist at MARS Veterinary – Responded to my direct inquiry about the genetic marker for the Biewer Terrier. They have no idea what blood is being submitted, but if it is a purebred Biewer Terrier it will hit on the marker that is in place.
customercare@marsveterinary.com
I must say, about a week ago I put a deposit on one and am so excited! These dogs are absolutely gorgeous! The tail whips over their back in this beautiful plume and they are very loveable!
I must say, about a week ago I put a deposit on one and am so excited! These dogs are absolutely gorgeous! The tail whips over their back in this beautiful plume and they are very loveable!
I just wanted to share with those interested and provide direct contacts to have your own questions answered direct for the source about this wonderful breed!

Wow thank you!! When will you be getting your biewer?! How exciting!!

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

gracious.. sounds like you've been busy

LOL...

To the OP, I am fairly certain your breeder has already registered their litter with a particular registry.

If you wish to show your puppy there are more circuits than just ARBA. There is NAKC (shows and points awarded like AKC) and IABCA which is a european type show where your dog is judged against the standard before competing against other dogs.

My dogs are registered with BBIR.

HTH

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

LOL...

Yea.. I figured most of us weren't going to be "buying any used bridges" no matter how bight and shinny they seem.

To the OP..

I agree with Deb. Your puppy will most likely be already registered when you get him. Not sure if you bought on open registration or not, but it would be fun to go to a show either way.. If you go to an NAKC or an IABCA show, you will probably see many more than just 3 breeders as these are the venues most of us use when we show our Biewers.. even in MN we have at least 6-10 breeders at our shows and those are small shows.

I have Biewers registered with three different registries in Germany, the BNR and the BBIR so don't worry about the registry piece... pay much more attention to the breeder, the health and the character of your puppy. Enjoy your Biewer.. you will never regret your decision to add this wonderful pup into your life.

Diana

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Yea.. I figured most of us weren't going to be "buying any used bridges" no matter how bight and shinny they seem.

To the OP..

I agree with Deb. Your puppy will most likely be already registered when you get him. Not sure if you bought on open registration or not, but it would be fun to go to a show either way.. If you go to an NAKC or an IABCA show, you will probably see many more than just 3 breeders as these are the venues most of us use when we show our Biewers.. even in MN we have at least 6-10 breeders at our shows and those are small shows.

I have Biewers registered with three different registries in Germany, the BNR and the BBIR so don't worry about the registry piece... pay much more attention to the breeder, the health and the character of your puppy. Enjoy your Biewer.. you will never regret your decision to add this wonderful pup into your life.

Diana

Thanks Diana! I do want to stop by a show sometime!! I have never been to one and am very intrigued! I contacted the contacts that were given and Theresa replied very fast and cleared up some of the confusions I have.

Do you have any advice on what to look for in the breeder and such? I know to look for one that lets their baby go at 12 weeks. I also ask when they first bred their female and how many litters they've had. I will definitely be seeing their place in person before I reserve a pup. I am just looking right now because I can't get one until the end of summer (mid-late September).

[bchgirl]

Inquire about health testing of the breeding pair and the puppies, read and understand their contract prior to placing a deposit on any puppy. Just a couple of things off the top of my head.

You may be interested in contacting breeders who are members of the BBCA. I'm certain you'll find many breeders that meet your criteria.

Biewer Breed Club of America