Vaccinations... revisited

[ChocoMilk]

My vet disregarded any of the vaccinations my puppies received because he said they were too young and started their DA2PPV shots ALL OVER AGAIN at 8 weeks. They just had their second shot, and will get their third and last shot at 5 months along with their rabies. My concern is, am I over-vaccinating them? Should I have started with the second set instead of starting all over again?

Also, after the initial puppy vaccinations, I'm curious on how often members here re-vaccinate your puppies. Is there a law that require certain vaccinations over the years? rabies shots?

Also, Is it normal to get the ONE YEAR booster shots after completing puppy vaccination series ? I'm debating whether I should even get this done. After the one year shots though, they won't be receiving any more shots for their lifetime.

[DvlshAngel985]

I'm still unclear on this as well. You can read this sticky for more info.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-overview.html

[Woogie Man]

Well, any shot given earlier than 8 weeks would be considered ineffective due to the pup receiving antibodies from Mom. It's unfortunate for the pup that any shots were given earlier.

The immune system only needs to be successfully provoked once to provide immunity. Successfully provoked means that memory cells have established antibodies for a given virus. The 3 shot protocol is primarily in place to ensure that the immune system gets successfully provoked. The % of dogs whose immune systems respond to a vaccine goes up in age and by 16 weeks over 90% of dogs' immune systems respond to a vaccine by developing memory cells for a virus. So, the last of the puppy shots should not be given before 16 weeks.

Laws regarding rabies vaccinations vary by state and sometimes within a state. In any case, I wouldn't give the rabies vaccine before 6 months and would never have it done at the same time as any other vaccines.

[concretegurl]

Rabies are every 3 years, 1 year for some. Required- it depends on your licensing requirement-many places (cities, counties) require the vaccinations, and you are technically breaking the law if you fail to vaccinate or license your dogs... I've talked to several breeders who are really against vaccinations of any kind-so it seems to be a very controversial issue with many people. If a pup has any vacs prior to 8 weeks a vet will redo them-not sure its the best thing but that's what happens. Personally I get all the vaccinations for my dogs because they come in contact with other dogs via the dog park, doggy day care etc, and it's required I show proof of vaccinations to bring them there, for their safety and the safety of other dogs. I've always been concerned about strays that get picked up and are vaccinated at the pounds...were they up to date-what is the effect of multiple vaccinations for the same thing-it can't be good but I'm sure it is a minimal issue in reality.

[ChocoMilk]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Well, any shot given earlier than 8 weeks would be considered ineffective due to the pup receiving antibodies from Mom. It's unfortunate for the pup that any shots were given earlier.
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I'm glad to know that there were no other intentions by my vet to decide to start all over again. I had to look for a new vet because I have moved and I wasn't sure if this was normal. If you don't mind me asking, what do you mean when you say that it is unfortunate? I understand now that the vaccines given earlier were ineffective, but do they harm them in any way in the long run?

thanks dvlshangel985, I'll be following this routine with few exceptions: Vaccination Schedule Recommendations For Dogs
I have heard that it is safer to vaccinate the combo vaccines separately. However, our vet only has it in the combination form of DA2PPV, so that won't be likely. After the three puppy shots, I'll give them one year booster shot of DA2PPV (and maybe rabies?) as their last shot, and WILL NOT give any more vaccinations for the rest of their lives including rabies. I don't think my dogs will ever bite anyone, and I dont' get how anyone would find out whether my dogs are up to date on rabies and fine me for it. Any thoughts on this?

I'm taking them for their third and last puppy shot at 18~19 weeks, and i'll make sure to wait on the rabies shot until 6 months of age. That concerns me about my vet though. Why would she recommend me to give rabies shot along with DA2PPV before 6 months of age, when she is the vet and she should know? Are any of your vets like this?

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ChocoMilk

I'm glad to know that there were no other intentions by my vet to decide to start all over again. I had to look for a new vet because I have moved and I wasn't sure if this was normal. If you don't mind me asking, what do you mean when you say that it is unfortunate? I understand now that the vaccines given earlier were ineffective, but do they harm them in any way in the long run?

thanks dvlshangel985, I'll be following this routine with few exceptions: Vaccination Schedule Recommendations For Dogs
I have heard that it is safer to vaccinate the combo vaccines separately. However, our vet only has it in the combination form of DA2PPV, so that won't be likely. After the three puppy shots, I'll give them one year booster shot of DA2PPV (and maybe rabies?) as their last shot, and WILL NOT give any more vaccinations for the rest of their lives including rabies. I don't think my dogs will ever bite anyone, and I dont' get how anyone would find out whether my dogs are up to date on rabies and fine me for it. Any thoughts on this?

I'm taking them for their third and last puppy shot at 18~19 weeks, and i'll make sure to wait on the rabies shot until 6 months of age. That concerns me about my vet though. Why would she recommend me to give rabies shot along with DA2PPV before 6 months of age, when she is the vet and she should know? Are any of your vets like this?

Why would you not want to keep your dog up to date on the rabies vaccine? Why would you want to chance them getting something that will kill them?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Why would you not want to keep your dog up to date on the rabies vaccine? Why would you want to chance them getting something that will kill them?

Rabies vaccine is creating contreversy in the vet field.

I don't recommend that anyone not have their pets forgo this vaccine. I recommend to my families that they forgo the vaccine until approximately 7 months of age and again a year later. I don't think that anyone should ignore that fact that rabies can be contracted from squirrels, rats, mice, etc.

Yes, some communities recommend that the vaccine be given every year. That is dependent on the number of rabies cases that are being encountered in some communities. In California it is being "recommended" to be given annually because they've discovered numberous bats with the disease. However, vets are challenging the over vaccination of rabies.

There is also an orginization that one might look into the "The Rabies Challange" group. It comprised of vets that have been studying the pros and cons of the vaccine. Make an educated decision on how much is too much. Each dog is different. My question is; Why is the same quantity administered to a 5 pound toy dog as 100 pound dog.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Rabies vaccine is creating contreversy in the vet field.

I don't recommend that anyone not have their pets forgo this vaccine. I recommend to my families that they forgo the vaccine until approximately 7 months of age and again a year later. I don't think that anyone should ignore that fact that rabies can be contracted from squirrels, rats, mice, etc.

Yes, some communities recommend that the vaccine be given every year. That is dependent on the number of rabies cases that are being encountered in some communities. In California it is being "recommended" to be given annually because they've discovered numberous bats with the disease. However, vets are challenging the over vaccination of rabies.

There is also an orginization that one might look into the "The Rabies Challange" group. It comprised of vets that have been studying the pros and cons of the vaccine. Make an educated decision on how much is too much. Each dog is different. My question is; Why is the same quantity administered to a 5 pound toy dog as 100 pound dog.

Wait I'm here in CA too and my dogs only get their rabies every three years...am I on a different vaccine for it or something? I'm actually in a rabies hot zone (Humboldt in NorCal) in fact a little girl at my son's school two blocks away was bitten by a rabies fox two years ago and another school child was bitten by another fox at a school about a mile away...so why would some places give a yearly vaccine and here in a hot zone we have three year boosters...hmmmm I am getting so much veterinary contradiction from YT members so glad I have a consult with a new vet if this is another issue in the vet advice I've been getting!

[ChocoMilk]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Why would you not want to keep your dog up to date on the rabies vaccine? Why would you want to chance them getting something that will kill them?

My dogs are not outdoors too much, and I have a 5 year old yorkie that I have not gave booster rabie vaccinations for and he is fine. Isn't it only when you come into contact with squirels, rats, etc that you get the disease? Correct me if I'm wrong. I just heard of so many side effects with rabies that I would rather not give it unless he's an outdoor dog.

concretegurl: I wonder what the difference between one year booster and three year booster is. Is it more potent than the one year?

Mardelin: Don't know for sure, but I read somewhere that only that amount will trigger the immune system, despite the weight of the dog. Same thing with the vaccines administered to a 80 lb person and a 200 lb person. This was someone's comment, so I'm wondering myself if it is true.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by ChocoMilk

My dogs are not outdoors too much, and I have a 5 year old yorkie that I have not gave booster rabie vaccinations for and he is fine. Isn't it only when you come into contact with squirels, rats, etc that you get the disease? Correct me if I'm wrong. I just heard of so many side effects with rabies that I would rather not give it unless he's an outdoor dog.

concretegurl: I wonder what the difference between one year booster and three year booster is. Is it more potent than the one year?

Mardelin: Don't know for sure, but I read somewhere that only that amount will trigger the immune system, despite the weight of the dog. Same thing with the vaccines administered to a 80 lb person and a 200 lb person. This was someone's comment, so I'm wondering myself if it is true.

I'm in the suberbs here...but still at any given time we have raccoons (actually three years ago a mama had two babies under the house) foxes and field mice in the back yard-a month ago I saw the fattest raccoon ever crawling over our back fence-and the three yards that border mine all have dogs in them so the dogs aren't detouring the visiting wild life especially at night when most dogs are in the house...so I opt to be on the safe side with rabies-especially considering the rabies outbreak here over the last three years. I'd really like to hear from anyone who knows about the difference in a one year and three year rabies booster though I'm rather concerned about the veterinary advice I've been getting.

[bellababy08]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Wait I'm here in CA too and my dogs only get their rabies every three years...am I on a different vaccine for it or something? I'm actually in a rabies hot zone (Humboldt in NorCal) in fact a little girl at my son's school two blocks away was bitten by a rabies fox two years ago and another school child was bitten by another fox at a school about a mile away...so why would some places give a yearly vaccine and here in a hot zone we have three year boosters...hmmmm I am getting so much veterinary contradiction from YT members so glad I have a consult with a new vet if this is another issue in the vet advice I've been getting!

My bella is on a 3 year rabies vaccination too, she is 2 years old...but her first Rabies shot when she was 7 mos was for a year only...when I took her back a year later she got the 3 year shot...my Vet won't do a 3 year rabies shot on a pup... and he also won't give a rabies shot until they are well over 6 mos of age.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I'm in the suberbs here...but still at any given time we have raccoons (actually three years ago a mama had two babies under the house) foxes and field mice in the back yard-a month ago I saw the fattest raccoon ever crawling over our back fence-and the three yards that border mine all have dogs in them so the dogs aren't detouring the visiting wild life especially at night when most dogs are in the house...so I opt to be on the safe side with rabies-especially considering the rabies outbreak here over the last three years. I'd really like to hear from anyone who knows about the difference in a one year and three year rabies booster though I'm rather concerned about the veterinary advice I've been getting.

Answered my own question...no difference in the vaccine itself...re's a few links in case anyone else was interested or confused by it like me
Rabies vaccinations - learn why are some good for 1 year and some good for 3 years for rabies vaccinations
and here's a link for those who don't believe in it an article titled How to Protect Your Dog From a Vaccine Junkie (requires adobe reader read only copy)...wish I could remember the name of the famous miniature schnauzer breeder who started the anti-vaccine movement
Information/Article: Protect Your Dog From a "Vaccine Junkie"

[ChocoMilk]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Answered my own question...no difference in the vaccine itself...re's a few links in case anyone else was interested or confused by it like me
Rabies vaccinations - learn why are some good for 1 year and some good for 3 years for rabies vaccinations
and here's a link for those who don't believe in it an article titled How to Protect Your Dog From a Vaccine Junkie (requires adobe reader read only copy)...wish I could remember the name of the famous miniature schnauzer breeder who started the anti-vaccine movement
Information/Article: Protect Your Dog From a "Vaccine Junkie"

Great articles. I will be going over the first article after work hours. The second article though, why would a state require a booster to be given every year if it is the same and can last up to 3 years. that puzzles me.

I think I'll adminster the titer test after puppy shots (or one year booster shots. does anyone know which?) as recommended in a titer article. If the results come out that they have built a strong immune system, I will not be giving any more vaccinations for 7~8 years. Maybe I'll recheck then and give booster shots if necessary. I highly recommend this procedure for everyone!

Rabies, not sure what to do yet. Probably will stop after the year booster unless I start taking my dogs to dog parks frequently.

Again, anyone know the side effects of giving vaccines too early? (before 8 weeks)

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by ChocoMilk

Great articles. I will be going over the first article after work hours. The second article though, why would a state require a booster to be given every year if it is the same and can last up to 3 years. that puzzles me.

I think I'll adminster the titer test after puppy shots (or one year booster shots. does anyone know which?) as recommended in a titer article. If the results come out that they have built a strong immune system, I will not be giving any more vaccinations for 7~8 years. Maybe I'll recheck then and give booster shots if necessary. I highly recommend this procedure for everyone!

Rabies, not sure what to do yet. Probably will stop after the year booster unless I start taking my dogs to dog parks frequently.

Again, anyone know the side effects of giving vaccines too early? (before 8 weeks)

1 year vs 3 years I think the answer is politics vs common sense...
Not really sure other than finding out the dosages are the same and the 1 year booster verses the 3 year has more to do with the age at the time of the first vaccination to the second and then to regular boosters. I'd debate the vaccination and consider not doing it...but as I said there's too much of a risk even in my own back yard...and there has been a real rabies epidemic in my area.
When you read the article there's a lot in there about side effects of vaccinations, either given doubly when animals are questioned about receiving them at all (like when the pounds auto vaccinate because they have no history) giving them to certain purebreds, and at certain ages how they are similar to children receiving vaccinations too young they can cause genetically predisposed illnesses to "come out" what all that means I don't really know I just read it all myself, but it all really does sound very alarming.
Are there any breeders on here who administer vaccinations themselves? I heard breeders who can do their own vaccinations have to be licensed and certified so they have some formal training on vaccinations in general...or any vets out there among us?

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by ChocoMilk

Again, anyone know the side effects of giving vaccines too early? (before 8 weeks)

Short of an immediate adverse reaction to the vaccine, I can't think of a 'side effect' that you would notice, but reactions to vaccines can occur for some time out from the injection. Vaccines given too early are ineffective, which leads to a pup being vaccinated more times, further stressing the pup's immune system. Vaccines can have a cumulative effect on the body's systems and that's what I meant in saying it was unfortunate that the pup was given shots too soon.

Here's a few links that may interest you.........

Science of Vaccine Damage

Britfeld.com - Adverse Vaccine Reactions by Dr W. Jean Dodds

CANINE VACCINATION

I'm not one to advise against vaccinations, but they should not be thought of as something benign and harmless, either. The evidence is substantial that there has been a correlation between increased incidences of inflammatory diseases and the increased use of vaccines over the years. The protocols have changed for vaccination and it's not just because they are un-necessary, but that over-vaccination is harmful to our pets.