Fact or Fiction? Hybred Vigor - YorkieTalk.com Forums

gemy · 08-14-2010, 02:11 PM

It seems to be a common understanding that "mutts" are healthier than purebreds.

I wonder if this assertion is supported by any research?

For purebreeds it is easier to ascertain health risks, because there are databases to capture different types of health problems. In fact responsible breeders are avid to support this type of research to help inform of good breeding decisions.

So with mutts, we have what? Anedoctal evidence, newspaper reports?

Why is this belief so prevalent? And is there any research to support this belief?

shodanusmc · 08-14-2010, 02:44 PM

I don't believe they are healthier than a well bred litter by a good breeder. You can get a mutt and you have no idea what genetical problems are on both sides. Now I had a mutt when I was a kid (Jesus was just a Corporal back then), and he was a great little dog that lived to be 15 with no problems, until the end of course. Anyway, we are all mutts when you think about it. We get the best and worst of what our parents carry. How can you explain that my brother is 6'5" and I am so short I can walk under the belly of a snake without bending over. Genetics. Giants on Mom's side, small Italians on my Dad's side. Presto!

gemy · 08-14-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shodanusmc

I don't believe they are healthier than a well bred litter by a good breeder. You can get a mutt and you have no idea what genetical problems are on both sides. Now I had a mutt when I was a kid (Jesus was just a Corporal back then), and he was a great little dog that lived to be 15 with no problems, until the end of course. Anyway, we are all mutts when you think about it. We get the best and worst of what our parents carry. How can you explain that my brother is 6'5" and I am so short I can walk under the belly of a snake without bending over. Genetics. Giants on Mom's side, small Italians on my Dad's side. Presto!

LLOL Steve; I got the worst of the genetic mix with my parents, and both sides of the temper

Good grief Irish and French Canadian. Mon Dieux

I was raised with mutts, one died at seven years old, one at 10, who knows if that was the average life expectancy or not

But there are assumptions "out there" which may or may not be based on the "facts" as we know them today

My question to YT is to come forth with links to research studies et al, that support one view or another.

This is for my own edification and curiosity.

shodanusmc · 08-14-2010, 02:59 PM

Now lets not shoot the messanger....
Pedigree vs Mutt

Health and life span of a pure pred vs a mutt? - Yahoo! Answers

There are many more opinions out there. Not sure if there is an statistically significant info at >.05 level of a T-Test

shodanusmc · 08-14-2010, 03:01 PM

I forgot the link. What was the topic again?
AOL Search

gemy · 08-14-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shodanusmc

I forgot the link. What was the topic again?
AOL Search

thanks

majesticyorkies · 08-14-2010, 06:29 PM

I have a Morkie and 2 yorkies I can't see that one is more healthy than the other. All three are healthy. I think it just depends on the dog, myself..

Reese1 · 08-15-2010, 03:04 AM

I have no idea where this got started, but it wouldn't surprise me if unethical breeders who are mixing a ton of different breeds came up with this!

maggiesmom_2007 · 08-15-2010, 05:31 AM

Like Steve said there is no way of knowing what genetic problems you are getting by mixing breeds. It's hard enough breeding purebred dogs and worrying about the genetic combination. I haven't seen any scientific proof that Mutts are healthier than purebreds.
I know I am definitely a mutt myself. German, Irish , Mexican and American Indian.

maggiesmom_2007 · 08-15-2010, 05:34 AM

http://www.westwinddogtraining.com/hybridvigor.pdf

I did find this.

gemy · 08-15-2010, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007

http://www.westwinddogtraining.com/hybridvigor.pdf

I did find this.

Thanks - yes Steve sent this link too.

topknot · 08-15-2010, 05:50 AM

I did some research on this and as a past vet tech I started towonder myself if this really was true or was it a myth. I actually heard about this here on YT first.
After my research I believe along with the experts that it is a myth. Just the oposite is true, since the mixed puppies get their genes from both sides can in reality open themself up to both sides of genetic problems. So if you have a mixed breed, be aware that they can get genetic predisposition health problems of both parents, and now have to worry about just one breed problems. Owners should do the health screenings of both breeds to be sure they are healthy or not. Just remember too - that just because they may not have problems pop up early in life, they may as an older adult. One should just be aware of the health issues to be prepared.

We hear abouth health of high breed vigor of mixed breeds more often now, since breeders started mixing dogs to get a yorkiepo, chiyorks, labordoodles, etc... or any of the other mixes. It is these mixed breeders way, IMO, to sell these pups better. So sad. "So again we should remember the saying, "Buyer beware!"

Rhetts_mama · 08-15-2010, 07:10 AM

I remember our old vet telling us this years ago. Of course, that was before our basset/lab mix ended up with problems from both roots of the family tree.

topknot · 08-15-2010, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by topknot

I did some research on this and as a past vet tech I started towonder myself if this really was true or was it a myth. I actually heard about this here on YT first.
After my research I believe along with the experts that it is a myth. Just the oposite is true, since the mixed puppies get their genes from both sides can in reality open themself up to both sides of genetic problems. So if you have a mixed breed, be aware that they can get genetic predisposition health problems of both parents, and now have to worry about just one breed problems. Owners should do the health screenings of both breeds to be sure they are healthy or not. Just remember too - that just because they may not have problems pop up early in life, they may as an older adult. One should just be aware of the health issues to be prepared.

We hear abouth health of high breed vigor of mixed breeds more often now, since breeders started mixing dogs to get a yorkiepo, chiyorks, labordoodles, etc... or any of the other mixes. It is these mixed breeders way, IMO, to sell these pups better. So sad. "So again we should remember the saying, "Buyer beware!"

Oops.. error. Should be you should worry about getting both breeds problems.

08-14-2010, 02:11 PM	#1
gemy YT 2000 Club Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Huntsville,Ont,Canaada Posts: 12,340 Blog Entries: 2	Fact or Fiction? Hybred Vigor It seems to be a common understanding that "mutts" are healthier than purebreds. I wonder if this assertion is supported by any research? For purebreeds it is easier to ascertain health risks, because there are databases to capture different types of health problems. In fact responsible breeders are avid to support this type of research to help inform of good breeding decisions. So with mutts, we have what? Anedoctal evidence, newspaper reports? Why is this belief so prevalent? And is there any research to support this belief? __________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018

08-14-2010, 06:29 PM	#7
majesticyorkies YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: granite falls n.c Posts: 557	I have a Morkie and 2 yorkies I can't see that one is more healthy than the other. All three are healthy. I think it just depends on the dog, myself.. __________________ Denise

08-15-2010, 03:04 AM	#8
Reese1 Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,304	I have no idea where this got started, but it wouldn't surprise me if unethical breeders who are mixing a ton of different breeds came up with this! __________________ Crosley Wrigley Camden

08-15-2010, 05:31 AM	#9
maggiesmom_2007 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,991 Blog Entries: 13	Like Steve said there is no way of knowing what genetic problems you are getting by mixing breeds. It's hard enough breeding purebred dogs and worrying about the genetic combination. I haven't seen any scientific proof that Mutts are healthier than purebreds. I know I am definitely a mutt myself. German, Irish , Mexican and American Indian. __________________ Lori, Friday, Olivia, Miranda , Chanel and Casey

08-15-2010, 05:34 AM	#10
maggiesmom_2007 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,991 Blog Entries: 13	http://www.westwinddogtraining.com/hybridvigor.pdf I did find this. __________________ Lori, Friday, Olivia, Miranda , Chanel and Casey

08-14-2010, 02:44 PM	#2
shodanusmc BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,603	I don't believe they are healthier than a well bred litter by a good breeder. You can get a mutt and you have no idea what genetical problems are on both sides. Now I had a mutt when I was a kid (Jesus was just a Corporal back then), and he was a great little dog that lived to be 15 with no problems, until the end of course. Anyway, we are all mutts when you think about it. We get the best and worst of what our parents carry. How can you explain that my brother is 6'5" and I am so short I can walk under the belly of a snake without bending over. Genetics. Giants on Mom's side, small Italians on my Dad's side. Presto!

08-14-2010, 02:59 PM	#4
shodanusmc BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,603	Now lets not shoot the messanger.... Pedigree vs Mutt Health and life span of a pure pred vs a mutt? - Yahoo! Answers There are many more opinions out there. Not sure if there is an statistically significant info at >.05 level of a T-Test

08-14-2010, 03:01 PM	#5
shodanusmc BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,603	I forgot the link. What was the topic again? AOL Search

08-15-2010, 05:50 AM	#12
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	I did some research on this and as a past vet tech I started towonder myself if this really was true or was it a myth. I actually heard about this here on YT first. After my research I believe along with the experts that it is a myth. Just the oposite is true, since the mixed puppies get their genes from both sides can in reality open themself up to both sides of genetic problems. So if you have a mixed breed, be aware that they can get genetic predisposition health problems of both parents, and now have to worry about just one breed problems. Owners should do the health screenings of both breeds to be sure they are healthy or not. Just remember too - that just because they may not have problems pop up early in life, they may as an older adult. One should just be aware of the health issues to be prepared. We hear abouth health of high breed vigor of mixed breeds more often now, since breeders started mixing dogs to get a yorkiepo, chiyorks, labordoodles, etc... or any of the other mixes. It is these mixed breeders way, IMO, to sell these pups better. So sad. "So again we should remember the saying, "Buyer beware!"

08-15-2010, 07:10 AM	#13
Rhetts_mama Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,959 Blog Entries: 1	I remember our old vet telling us this years ago. Of course, that was before our basset/lab mix ended up with problems from both roots of the family tree. __________________ Don't get your knickers in a knot. Nothing is solved and it just makes you walk funny.