I will not trust breeders anymore - YorkieTalk.com Forums

kenw · 06-16-2009, 06:06 AM

We bought 2 yorkie pups 4 mo. Ago from a breeder who said they will not be over 7 lbs, thats funny the male at 6 mo. Old is 9 lbs. And the female is 8 lbs. We bought them to start breeding but don't know what to do now, we will keep them for ever, don't want to breed to show just for loving pets that everyone can aford

Sugar's Mom · 06-16-2009, 06:15 AM

I am sorry you feel the neeed to lump all of us in this group you are talking about. Any ETHICAL breeder knows there is no guarantee on size and any BUYER should have researched and also known this. I am glad you love your babies anyway.

Mardelin · 06-16-2009, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kenw

We bought 2 yorkie pups 4 mo. Ago from a breeder who said they will not be over 7 lbs, thats funny the male at 6 mo. Old is 9 lbs. And the female is 8 lbs. We bought them to start breeding but don't know what to do now, we will keep them for ever, don't want to breed to show just for loving pets that everyone can aford

Not knowing who your breeder is and it's none of my business. However, unless your breeder is line breeding and knows her line she can only guesstimate the size of a yorkie she can not guarantee. I don't know how old these pups were when you obtained them. But, a reputable breeder would/should not place place pups intended for breeding prior to the age of 7 months of age. You can't know prior to that if the dogs are of breeding quality and all tests that are required have been completed.

I don't know if you've bred before or this is an initial start, but you can't put the blame entirely on the breeder. The initial investigation, study of breeders and foot work has to be done by you.

lily · 06-16-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kenw

We bought 2 yorkie pups 4 mo. Ago from a breeder who said they will not be over 7 lbs, thats funny the male at 6 mo. Old is 9 lbs. And the female is 8 lbs. We bought them to start breeding but don't know what to do now, we will keep them for ever, don't want to breed to show just for loving pets that everyone can aford

I never tell anyone that they well this size. you just don't know . The male is to big for stud have him fixed and place him in a home. female is just right for breeding , use a 4-5lb stud. I hate people that breed 3-4 lbs females, way to size. I dont show but try tobreed to standard. good luck just remember breeding can be joyful and heartbreaking too. lily

tammy8833 · 06-16-2009, 06:27 AM

its true all you can do is give your best guess on the weight and the ones that assure you of a size, are usually trying to get you to buy the puppy. i have been right on the money and i have been off a few pounds before. i would fix the little boy and either keep him or rehome him and get your another male. the female may be a good sturdy breeding female..unless she gets bigger as well, then you are breeding to far out in size. msot breeders tend to have several yorkies. you could fix and keep both and work towards another pair...it took me several males to get one the right size.

good luck, post pics!

Amazing Yorkies · 06-16-2009, 06:44 AM

Sounds like a pretty broad statement. Perhaps you should do more research on Yorkies, breeding, and breeders. Even Show Breeders have pets available and surprisingly affordable. Affordable pets do not need to be less healthy, or poor quality. Many of my puppies sold as pets, could Show, so I guess I wouldn't trust anyone wanting to breed for "just" pets.

MindieRose · 06-16-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies

Sounds like a pretty broad statement.

... .so I guess I wouldn't trust anyone wanting to breed for "just" pets.

No offense, but, isn't that an equally broad statement?

I personally wouldn't trust any breeder, show or otherwise, without doing some research, seeing their home and parents of the puppies, getting references, etc. I have learned to not just take someones word for it.

kenw · 06-16-2009, 07:08 AM

Where can we buy afordable show pups

Mardelin · 06-16-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies

Sounds like a pretty broad statement. Perhaps you should do more research on Yorkies, breeding, and breeders. Even Show Breeders have pets available and surprisingly affordable. Affordable pets do not need to be less healthy, or poor quality. Many of my puppies sold as pets, could Show, so I guess I wouldn't trust anyone wanting to breed for "just" pets.

Agreed. A breeding dog should meet all the conformations of a show dog. My opinion if the dog doesn't have these qualities then it shouldn't be bred. I've recently seen so many dogs out there that are a poor respresentation of the breed. Dogs that have been bred for pet, that are looking less and less like yorkies and even poor pet quality. They are sold when puppies and aren't all puppies cute. Then the growing process begins and the dog is no longer cute. Most of the pet owners accept this and love them with all their hearts. But, then there are those that are very disappointed and attempt to rehome these dogs, or worse yet off they go to shelters.

FlDebra · 06-16-2009, 07:12 AM

That is a pretty strong title you chose for your thread! There are literally thousands of breeders out there. Just because your breeder was silly enough to try to tell you the adult weights on tiny puppies, does not mean all breeders are untrustworthy.

Let's turn it around a second. You bought these two for a breeding pair. Tell me how much research you did on breeding, the Yorkshire standard, and your breeder before making the purchase? Did you look into the history of these two pups? What of the parents, grandparents and at least one more generation back? Have you spent time reading online and any books you could find on the Yorkshire Terrier and breeding toy dogs? IF you had done all of your homework, you would have known there is little a breeder can guarantee about the size of the dog as it grows. IF you had joined YorkieTalk and read through the posts here before purchaseing a breeding pair, you would have learned no one could guarantee the size AND you would have know what puppy weights convert to estimated adult weights. (We even have a chart for a guestimate -- but it is still only a that, not a guarantee). Many factors, most but not all of which, are genetics, go into the final size of a dog. A breeder that has had several generations of the dog and seen the mating of that dam and sire a few times, may have a pretty good idea, but there are still going to be anomalies from time to time.

Any time you buy puppies with breeding in mind it is a crap shoot. You have to wait and wait, and hope that they grow to the Yorkshire Terrier standard. You can tell some things as puppies, but other things like the coat, you have to wait and see how they mature. But you can narrow your odds by doing your homework, researching the breed, knowing what to look for in a puppy, and what to look for in a breeder. There are many red flags that can tell you which breeders might not be as trustworthy as you would like.

But please don't blame all breeders! There are some wonderful breeders in this world, several right here on YT that really care about their dogs and the future of the breed. But even the best of breeders will occasionally get an oversized dog. But they would have never sold it as a breeder.

Mardelin · 06-16-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kenw

Where can we buy afordable show pups

Do your homework. Study breeders, interview, study pedigrees. Reputable breeders will not sell a dog with open registration to just anyone. Find a mentor, preferrably one that has been showing and breeding dogs for years with a good reputation.

We've all started somewhere, so just don't get disheartend. As one reputable breeder/exhibitor says; there are no shortcuts, if you want a shortcut go to a barber.

topknot · 06-16-2009, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kenw

Where can we buy afordable show pups

Just curious - How much did you spend on purchasing these two pups? Are they related? And do you know their pedigree/s? What do you consider affordable?

Most show breeders will ask that you show any pups/adults they will hope will be consider breedable and make you co-own. This is just the norm.

topknot · 06-16-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kenw

We bought 2 yorkie pups 4 mo. Ago from a breeder who said they will not be over 7 lbs, thats funny the male at 6 mo. Old is 9 lbs. And the female is 8 lbs. We bought them to start breeding but don't know what to do now, we will keep them for ever, don't want to breed to show just for loving pets that everyone can aford

Just thinking - you bought two pups to be breed in the future when these pups were only 2 months old and the breeder sold you them with full registrations at this age to be bred???? Way too young!

kenw · 06-16-2009, 07:29 AM

Paid 500.00 each, don't want to show was just replying to deb

chachi · 06-16-2009, 07:38 AM

I paid $600 for an over the standard pet male. $500 isnt enough to pay for a breed worthy dog. Your going to pay a $1000 or more for a breed worthy dog

06-16-2009, 06:06 AM	#1
kenw Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ofallon, mo Posts: 96	I will not trust breeders anymore We bought 2 yorkie pups 4 mo. Ago from a breeder who said they will not be over 7 lbs, thats funny the male at 6 mo. Old is 9 lbs. And the female is 8 lbs. We bought them to start breeding but don't know what to do now, we will keep them for ever, don't want to breed to show just for loving pets that everyone can aford

06-16-2009, 06:27 AM	#5
tammy8833 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: VA Posts: 2,775	its true all you can do is give your best guess on the weight and the ones that assure you of a size, are usually trying to get you to buy the puppy. i have been right on the money and i have been off a few pounds before. i would fix the little boy and either keep him or rehome him and get your another male. the female may be a good sturdy breeding female..unless she gets bigger as well, then you are breeding to far out in size. msot breeders tend to have several yorkies. you could fix and keep both and work towards another pair...it took me several males to get one the right size. good luck, post pics! __________________ Tammy YT Gallery Lil Girl Princess & Theodore *Gidget R.I.P**

06-16-2009, 06:44 AM	#6
Amazing Yorkies YT Featured Breeder Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,552	Sounds like a pretty broad statement. Perhaps you should do more research on Yorkies, breeding, and breeders. Even Show Breeders have pets available and surprisingly affordable. Affordable pets do not need to be less healthy, or poor quality. Many of my puppies sold as pets, could Show, so I guess I wouldn't trust anyone wanting to breed for "just" pets. __________________ Deb Sillers 816-261-8734 Cell ~ www.Amazingyorkies.com ~

06-16-2009, 07:12 AM	#10
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	That is a pretty strong title you chose for your thread! There are literally thousands of breeders out there. Just because your breeder was silly enough to try to tell you the adult weights on tiny puppies, does not mean all breeders are untrustworthy. Let's turn it around a second. You bought these two for a breeding pair. Tell me how much research you did on breeding, the Yorkshire standard, and your breeder before making the purchase? Did you look into the history of these two pups? What of the parents, grandparents and at least one more generation back? Have you spent time reading online and any books you could find on the Yorkshire Terrier and breeding toy dogs? IF you had done all of your homework, you would have known there is little a breeder can guarantee about the size of the dog as it grows. IF you had joined YorkieTalk and read through the posts here before purchaseing a breeding pair, you would have learned no one could guarantee the size AND you would have know what puppy weights convert to estimated adult weights. (We even have a chart for a guestimate -- but it is still only a that, not a guarantee). Many factors, most but not all of which, are genetics, go into the final size of a dog. A breeder that has had several generations of the dog and seen the mating of that dam and sire a few times, may have a pretty good idea, but there are still going to be anomalies from time to time. Any time you buy puppies with breeding in mind it is a crap shoot. You have to wait and wait, and hope that they grow to the Yorkshire Terrier standard. You can tell some things as puppies, but other things like the coat, you have to wait and see how they mature. But you can narrow your odds by doing your homework, researching the breed, knowing what to look for in a puppy, and what to look for in a breeder. There are many red flags that can tell you which breeders might not be as trustworthy as you would like. But please don't blame all breeders! There are some wonderful breeders in this world, several right here on YT that really care about their dogs and the future of the breed. But even the best of breeders will occasionally get an oversized dog. But they would have never sold it as a breeder. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard Last edited by FlDebra; 06-16-2009 at 07:15 AM.

06-16-2009, 07:38 AM	#15
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I paid $600 for an over the standard pet male. $500 isnt enough to pay for a breed worthy dog. Your going to pay a $1000 or more for a breed worthy dog __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

06-16-2009, 06:15 AM	#2
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	I am sorry you feel the neeed to lump all of us in this group you are talking about. Any ETHICAL breeder knows there is no guarantee on size and any BUYER should have researched and also known this. I am glad you love your babies anyway.

06-16-2009, 07:08 AM	#8
kenw Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ofallon, mo Posts: 96	Where can we buy afordable show pups

06-16-2009, 07:29 AM	#14
kenw Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ofallon, mo Posts: 96	Paid 500.00 each, don't want to show was just replying to deb