the difference between a show dog and a pet

[nlappegard]

There is a big difference between a show dog and a tiny little pet. If you would want a show dog you need to go to the experts on show dogs these are high quality dogs that are bred to be show dogs they are bred for temperament quality and competition just think what it takes to be a show dog you travel going show to show on weekends doing the best of your ability to please not only your hander but the judge as well competing with other yorkies that where bred to do the same thing. Your owner and hander she has to have a realionship with the dog for him or her to perform for them this all takes time they have to be groomed just perfect to be shown and when there not being shown there coat has to be well taken care of this is an immense amount of work for both dog and Handler. I know this from exsperiene i was showing dogs for a while these people breed for the standard and to improve the breed for there show dogs. But this is not for everyone to be successful at showing dogs you need a mentor to help you through this. Some show breeders even have people that just breed for them and they choose the dogs they are going to show from these dogs. Being a breeder takes dedication time understanding knowledge it not just throwing 2 dogs together and breeding them it has a lot to do with genetics breeding the two dogs that will match up the best and qualities that will match up with each other. You have to be home all the time to be a breeder and willing to dedicate yourself to your dogs you need to be there by there side when they are having puppies giving them support especially new mothers that have never had puppies before to me when you are breeding dogs as far as size goes if you want to make a quality dog the 2 dogs your breeding need to be correctly matched up according to genetics and size i would never breed a 7-lb dog to a 3 pound dog to get more puppies that will be smaller this would not be correct if you have a 7-lb female she needs to be breeding a 5or 6-lb male to make a nice square dog if you have a 4-lb female she need to breed a 3 or 4 -lb male this i correct to make nice square dogs that are healthy when you breed tiny males to bigger females yes you get some smaller dogs and bigger litters but are those small dogs healthy no they are the runts of the litter the puppies that got the least amount of nutrition inside the mother when you breed according to size and get a healthy litter of 2 or 3 healthy little dogs this is correct to me why make tiny yorkies if there not going to be healthy or square. As for flaws nothing is pefect in life people can have 4 healthy beautiful children then have a unfortunate child that is mongilion or lacking something it is the same with dogs you can get a genetic defect that arrises from 12 generations ago this is just the way it is i don't claim to be a show breeder but i do have tiny healthy puppies and i have been very successful in what i do i love my dogs they are my life and they all love me there not in cages they sleep with me and live with me and i dedicate my time to them completely theres not a day that goes by that everyone is not loved on petted combed and cared for in my house and it took me years of exsperience and knowledge to do this i also had a wondeful mentor who had been breeding dogs for 50 years to help me to me this is the key to all of this breeding pets to be carried around in purses dressed up in dresses and bows and being loved is ok to it just depends on how you do this.thats what important to me

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by nlappegard

i would never breed a 7-lb dog to a 3 pound dog to get more puppies that will be smaller this would not be correct if you have a 7-lb female she needs to be breeding a 5or 6-lb male to make a nice square dog if you have a 4-lb female she need to breed a 3 or 4 -lb male this i correct to make nice square dogs that are healthy when you breed tiny males to bigger females yes you get some smaller dogs and bigger litters but are those small dogs healthy no they are the runts of the litter the puppies that got the least amount of nutrition inside the mother

I'm guessing this long post is to somehow justify breeding tiny females since this thread picks up from a thread now in the breeder's forum. In your post you use this example "if you have a 4-lb female she need to breed a 3 or 4 -lb male", but you go one further and breed 3 pound girls. In another thread, (http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ng-home-5.html), in post # 63 one of your customers states that they have one of your 3 pound girls and you allowed your 1 1/2 pound stud to breed with her. Not only is the girl too small (IMO) to breed, but you go against your own stated logic by mating her to a male that's half her size. Isn't that the same as breeding a 3 pound male to a 7 pound female, which, in your above post, you say you would never do?

I will say that my best pups have come from one of my boys that is a bit over 6 pounds bred to one of my girls that is 5 pounds. They produce beautiful pups that are well balanced structurally and have inherited the best traits of both Mom and Dad. The largest pup they have produced so far is a female that weighs 5 pounds, which I kept. The other pups were smaller with the smallest being 3 1/2 pounds at 8 months.

The above example I gave goes to show that there is much more to breeding than just picking a smaller male to go with a female. You can get great results using a somewhat bigger male if you know your dogs. More important is to get dogs whose traits complement each other to breed sound, beautiful, healthy pups and not just shoot for purse puppies.

I won't even address the difference between show and pet quality dogs because I don't think this thread has anything to do with that despite the title saying so.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I'm guessing this long post is to somehow justify breeding tiny females since this thread picks up from a thread now in the breeder's forum. In your post you use this example "if you have a 4-lb female she need to breed a 3 or 4 -lb male", but you go one further and breed 3 pound girls. In another thread, (http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ng-home-5.html), in post # 63 one of your customers states that they have one of your 3 pound girls and you allowed your 1 1/2 pound stud to breed with her. Not only is the girl too small (IMO) to breed, but you go against your own stated logic by mating her to a male that's half her size. Isn't that the same as breeding a 3 pound male to a 7 pound female, which, in your above post, you say you would never do?

I will say that my best pups have come from one of my boys that is a bit over 6 pounds bred to one of my girls that is 5 pounds. They produce beautiful pups that are well balanced structurally and have inherited the best traits of both Mom and Dad. The largest pup they have produced so far is a female that weighs 5 pounds, which I kept. The other pups were smaller with the smallest being 3 1/2 pounds at 8 months.

The above example I gave goes to show that there is much more to breeding than just picking a smaller male to go with a female. You can get great results using a somewhat bigger male if you know your dogs. More important is to get dogs whose traits complement each other to breed sound, beautiful, healthy pups and not just shoot for purse puppies.

I won't even address the difference between show and pet quality dogs because I don't think this thread has anything to do with that despite the title saying so.

[Nancy1999]

Your post "shows" me how little you know about breeding, and showing. What do you think the purpose of showing is anyway, to pump up someone's ego? People show to get confirmation from the "experts" whether their dog is a good representative of the breed, and if it is, it's good to breed it - because chances are, it will make wonderful beautiful offspring that will make great pets! Buyers should demand two things when choosing a pet, a dog that is genetically healthy, and one that looks like the breed. I personally think that Yorkie "attitude" that works in the show ring is great for a pet too! I realize the popularity of purse puppies is on the rise, so teacup breeders won't be going out of business anytime soon, but there are still many of use who are bothered by breeders who are pushing for tinier and tinier dogs. You can only breed down so much, without risking the overall health of a species.


The qualities necessary for a show dog are sought after for a pet, or at least should be! Seems like your post is trying to imply that people who want a pet, shouldn't buy from show breeders. I realize that not every good breeder can show, but it should never be implied that show breeder's dogs don't make wonderful pets, and I'm a little tired of people acting like a 6 pound dog is a moose. So my advice is that even if you aren't planning to show or breed and want a pet only, go to an ethical breeder, one who really knows the breed, and the problems associated with it, and is fully aware of the problems associated with tinies! Beware of one-trait breeders! For more information on the differences between responsible breeders and backyard breeders see: Responsible Breeders and Backyard Breeders - What's the difference?

[nanahas3]

Nancy I love reading your posts. You always are so informed. Thank you.

[mscat]

Nancy, & Woogie Man

Have taught me so much on YT >
Thank You

[Robin Lodal]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

Nancy I love reading your posts. You always are so informed. Thank you.

I agree.

[westieboy]

What would you say is the major difference in the way a dog looks from a show breeder that is on the YTCA breeder list and all the other breeders?

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by nlappegard:
it took me years of exsperience and knowledge to do this i also had a wondeful mentor who had been breeding dogs for 50 years to help me to me this is the key to all of this breeding pets to be carried around in purses dressed up in dresses and bows and being loved is ok to it just depends on how you do this.thats what important to me[/QUOTE]

I didn't buy my Laddy or adopt my Lolita for any of those reasons. Yes I dress them occasionally and I put them in a carrier for their saftey when traveling. But I wanted a loving companion and these two babies are just that they are a part of our family loved like our children not fashion accessories.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

Nancy I love reading your posts. You always are so informed. Thank you.

Yeah me too. And Nancy's always very generous with her use of punctuation and separating her paragraphs, take notice OP! Hee hee

What was the purpose of that rant to begin with?

[Sugar's Mom]

i have purchased "show' puppies that turned out to be garbage dogs. nothing at all like I thought I was getting by purchasing a show prospect puppy. From a long line of show champs. But the dog just didn't have what it took to show and at two years old or so old, not even in the standard. i have purchased pet puppies that are high quality and meet the standard, bred them and champions. Of course they had a lot of show champions in their lines but were sold as pets. I think you don't ever know what you are going to get when they grow up. You can look at the lines and guess but that is all it is. A guess. i think you take a chance when purchasing a dog from any kind of breeder. show or pet.

[kezza]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Yeah me too. And Nancy's always very generous with her use of punctuation and separating her paragraphs, take notice OP! Hee hee

What was the purpose of that rant to begin with?

yeah..that one loooooooong sentence sure gave me a headache...I need to lie down...

[nlappegard]

ok i read your backyard breeders thing. all My dogs are AKC reg all there pedigrees are posted on my website I have all the pictures of the parents listed as well you can see where your puppy came from. You can see all the past puppies. If people want tiny yorkies why not make healthy ones and do it the right way. I know a lot of you don't agree with what i do but thats ok to. Everyone has a right to there own opinion and everyone does things there own way. I don't come on yorkie talk to argue with people i enjoy some of the post they have and i try to help anyone that i can. In this world there are so many negative people always ready to cut other people down and hurt there feelings why not help one another and get along it's very odvious we all love yorkies why does everyone want to be better then each other everyone wants to be #1 I love the bigger yorkies as well as the little ones. they are all great there personality is like no other dog i have ever owned so why does everyone have to be so negative all the time and want to argue.

[nlappegard]

The reason i bred for this lady is because the genetics matched up perfectly that has a lot to do with it both dogs where sound tinies stocky and square and there pedigree's matched up perfect this has a lot to do with it

[linda44]

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