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tskinner · 05-11-2009, 04:52 PM

Seriously, what does this mean? If I breed my yorkie at my house and sell them would I be considered a byb? How is a person distinguished between a byb and something else? I hear a lot of bashing here about byb and getting a pup from a reputable breeder. Where do these reputable breeders breed and raise their pups? Is it not at their house? How do you become a reputable breeder, don't you have to start somewhere? Weren't they not once byb? Just wondering??

FlDebra · 05-11-2009, 05:00 PM

All good questions! To not be considered a backyard breeder, STUDY, know what you are doing, and know the background of your dogs. Take your female and male and have them checked thoroughly by your vet and get his opinion of breeding them. Study and have one of those reputable breeders that has many years experience look them over and give you their opinion about them meeting standard and be good breed representatives. Then study some more and read all you can by the experienced breeders here at YT. I know I have study in there several times, but that is what it takes. I thought I was well prepared and still ran up against a very difficult situation. I think it is a matter of constant learning. The something else you want to start out as, I guess is hobby breeder. Although I don't think some respect any but the long-time established breeders. But you are right, we have to start somewhere!

Also make sure you are fully aware of the dangers of losing your female. I thought I was safe as mine was so healthy and a good size. But breeding toy dogs is always a danger and mine did not make it.

tskinner · 05-11-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FlDebra

All good questions! To not be considered a backyard breeder, STUDY, know what you are doing, and know the background of your dogs. Take your female and male and have them checked thoroughly by your vet and get his opinion of breeding them. Study and have one of those reputable breeders that has many years experience look them over and give you their opinion about them meeting standard and be good breed representatives. Then study some more and read all you can by the experienced breeders here at YT. I know I have study in there several times, but that is what it takes. I thought I was well prepared and still ran up against a very difficult situation. I think it is a matter of constant learning. The something else you want to start out as, I guess is hobby breeder. Although I don't think some respect any but the long-time established breeders. But you are right, we have to start somewhere!

Also make sure you are fully aware of the dangers of losing your female. I thought I was safe as mine was so healthy and a good size. But breeding toy dogs is always a danger and mine did not make it.

I was just wondering. I guess all reputable breeders were a byb or hobby breeder at one point right? So you will just have to have the stigma of a byb until you have proven yourself, kinda like your studs, lol.

yorkiepuppie · 05-11-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tskinner

I was just wondering. I guess all reputable breeders were a byb or hobby breeder at one point right? So you will just have to have the stigma of a byb until you have proven yourself, kinda like your studs, lol.

i think a good breeder, a reputable breeder would not have started as a BYB or a 'hobby breeder'. they would have studied everything they needed to know, and had a mentor, go to dog shows...etc. (done LOTS of preparations work in advance)

i don't think they would JUST START breeding their dogs and learn as they go... that would be a BYB.

Sugar's Mom · 05-11-2009, 05:45 PM

here is a pretty good explanation that someone just posted on another thread.
Backyard Breeder vs Reputable Breeder

tskinner · 05-11-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

here is a pretty good explanation that someone just posted on another thread.
Backyard Breeder vs Reputable Breeder

Thank you. Everytime I try to do a search for something it tells me not found. I don't think I am doing something correctly. Again, thanks.

tskinner · 05-11-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

i think a good breeder, a reputable breeder would not have started as a BYB or a 'hobby breeder'. they would have studied everything they needed to know, and had a mentor, go to dog shows...etc. (done LOTS of preparations work in advance)

i don't think they would JUST START breeding their dogs and learn as they go... that would be a BYB.

I understand that but if you spend many years researching and getting all the information your still just a newbie at it when you first start no matter how informed you get. Are you considered a reputable breeder right off the bat if you do these things? Do you not have to prove yourself in the eyes of the Yorkie community somehow?

tskinner · 05-11-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tskinner

I understand that but if you spend many years researching and getting all the information your still just a newbie at it when you first start no matter how informed you get. Are you considered a reputable breeder right off the bat if you do these things? Do you not have to prove yourself in the eyes of the Yorkie community somehow?

Sorry, this sounds more sarcastic that intended. lol How do I rephrase?

yorkiepuppie · 05-11-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tskinner

I understand that but if you spend many years researching and getting all the information your still just a newbie at it when you first start no matter how informed you get. Are you considered a reputable breeder right off the bat if you do these things? Do you not have to prove yourself in the eyes of the Yorkie community somehow?

when you are a new breeder, you would probably get a reputable and very experienced breeder to be your mentor and you most likely would not do it by yourself.

FlDebra · 05-11-2009, 06:06 PM

Well maybe I have it wrong -- I thought hobby breeder was the one that was just starting but did all of the background work and was well prepared, studied, mentored, and had the right dogs for breeding. Since they are all just slang and not technical descriptions, I guess they can mean anything we want. Recently, I described myself as a "studied novice" -- how is that for a term?

But I was also willing to be called a hobby breeder.

Now I don't know....... to tell the truth I don't think I will have to worry after I sell this litter. This was just too tough for me. I think I would be a nervous wreck if I ever tried again. I miss my sweet Sadie girl!

yorkiepuppie · 05-11-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tskinner

Thank you. Everytime I try to do a search for something it tells me not found. I don't think I am doing something correctly. Again, thanks.

were you able to click the link and see the comparison between the two?

tskinner · 05-11-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

when you are a new breeder, you would probably get a reputable and very experienced breeder to be your mentor and you most likely would not do it by yourself.

good point! Your puppy is adorable by the way!!! I love all these pictures. They make me want another one. lol

Jemma · 05-11-2009, 06:10 PM

Your ultimate goal should be to be a hobbyist breeder. Learn the breed and learn it well. Learn all health problems that affect the breed. Learn the faults of the Yorkie as you do not want to reproduce those faults. Get to know a Hobbyist breeder who has done well with the breed. Perhaps you can get involved as to watching a breeding, whelping, etc. But truthfully, most of your experience gained is what you are going to learn as a litter is whelped. You might encounter a problem your mentor breeder has not ever had. A breeder is not born a breeder so yes you learn along the way. Breeding is a result of trying to better the breed. Have the dog as close to the AKC standard as possible. All breeders have their own definition of a breeder. And there are many who might think you are a BYB if you don't breed your dogs exactly as they do. Remember, a Hobbyist breeder, breeds to better the breed. Not to have just any ole pups to make money. Or think it would be nice to have the kids witness a pup being born, yikes! And yes, of course you are going to breed in your home. Breeding in your home is definitely not a BYB. Most people do have the pups in their homes accept for the ones who have kennels and keep their dogs there day in and day out. You must always try to be there when the lttter is born in case of problems. You must also consider what you would do if you have pups left that do not sell. What would you do? It takes a lot of "considering" before breeding.
And can I suggest you never sell them at Christmas as presents? I bred Goldens and would never sell on Christmas or Easter. Pups are not novelties, they don't wear off like presents do. And that can be exactly what happens. New pup, new fun, Christmas is over and so the fun starts to wear off. But I do know peope who will sell their pups on holidays because they can ask more money. Sad.
Research the breed, do your considering, find a mentor and do the very best you can to breed closest to the AKC standard. You will then NOT be a BYB even if you don't do what each breeder tells you to do. Remember everyone has their own definition. And their own ways. You will hear so many different views.

Carol and Jemma

tskinner · 05-11-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

were you able to click the link and see the comparison between the two?

I did! thanks. It did explain a lot.

tskinner · 05-11-2009, 06:13 PM

You ladies are Awesome. Thanks for all the great information!!! I am learning so much every day I just love coming here!!!

05-11-2009, 04:52 PM	#1
tskinner Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 80	Byb Seriously, what does this mean? If I breed my yorkie at my house and sell them would I be considered a byb? How is a person distinguished between a byb and something else? I hear a lot of bashing here about byb and getting a pup from a reputable breeder. Where do these reputable breeders breed and raise their pups? Is it not at their house? How do you become a reputable breeder, don't you have to start somewhere? Weren't they not once byb? Just wondering??

05-11-2009, 05:00 PM	#2
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	All good questions! To not be considered a backyard breeder, STUDY, know what you are doing, and know the background of your dogs. Take your female and male and have them checked thoroughly by your vet and get his opinion of breeding them. Study and have one of those reputable breeders that has many years experience look them over and give you their opinion about them meeting standard and be good breed representatives. Then study some more and read all you can by the experienced breeders here at YT. I know I have study in there several times, but that is what it takes. I thought I was well prepared and still ran up against a very difficult situation. I think it is a matter of constant learning. The something else you want to start out as, I guess is hobby breeder. Although I don't think some respect any but the long-time established breeders. But you are right, we have to start somewhere! Also make sure you are fully aware of the dangers of losing your female. I thought I was safe as mine was so healthy and a good size. But breeding toy dogs is always a danger and mine did not make it. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard Last edited by FlDebra; 05-11-2009 at 05:01 PM.

05-11-2009, 06:06 PM	#10
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	Well maybe I have it wrong -- I thought hobby breeder was the one that was just starting but did all of the background work and was well prepared, studied, mentored, and had the right dogs for breeding. Since they are all just slang and not technical descriptions, I guess they can mean anything we want. Recently, I described myself as a "studied novice" -- how is that for a term? But I was also willing to be called a hobby breeder. Now I don't know....... to tell the truth I don't think I will have to worry after I sell this litter. This was just too tough for me. I think I would be a nervous wreck if I ever tried again. I miss my sweet Sadie girl! __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

05-11-2009, 05:45 PM	#5
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	here is a pretty good explanation that someone just posted on another thread. Backyard Breeder vs Reputable Breeder

05-11-2009, 06:10 PM	#13
Jemma Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 838	Your ultimate goal should be to be a hobbyist breeder. Learn the breed and learn it well. Learn all health problems that affect the breed. Learn the faults of the Yorkie as you do not want to reproduce those faults. Get to know a Hobbyist breeder who has done well with the breed. Perhaps you can get involved as to watching a breeding, whelping, etc. But truthfully, most of your experience gained is what you are going to learn as a litter is whelped. You might encounter a problem your mentor breeder has not ever had. A breeder is not born a breeder so yes you learn along the way. Breeding is a result of trying to better the breed. Have the dog as close to the AKC standard as possible. All breeders have their own definition of a breeder. And there are many who might think you are a BYB if you don't breed your dogs exactly as they do. Remember, a Hobbyist breeder, breeds to better the breed. Not to have just any ole pups to make money. Or think it would be nice to have the kids witness a pup being born, yikes! And yes, of course you are going to breed in your home. Breeding in your home is definitely not a BYB. Most people do have the pups in their homes accept for the ones who have kennels and keep their dogs there day in and day out. You must always try to be there when the lttter is born in case of problems. You must also consider what you would do if you have pups left that do not sell. What would you do? It takes a lot of "considering" before breeding. And can I suggest you never sell them at Christmas as presents? I bred Goldens and would never sell on Christmas or Easter. Pups are not novelties, they don't wear off like presents do. And that can be exactly what happens. New pup, new fun, Christmas is over and so the fun starts to wear off. But I do know peope who will sell their pups on holidays because they can ask more money. Sad. Research the breed, do your considering, find a mentor and do the very best you can to breed closest to the AKC standard. You will then NOT be a BYB even if you don't do what each breeder tells you to do. Remember everyone has their own definition. And their own ways. You will hear so many different views. Carol and Jemma

05-11-2009, 06:13 PM	#15
tskinner Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 80	You ladies are Awesome. Thanks for all the great information!!! I am learning so much every day I just love coming here!!!