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roxies_mom · 03-15-2009, 05:28 AM

Luvfla has an awsome idea about the book. Reading helps so much and I always learn new things and tips. Some people on here have suggested in the past to teach the pup to "leave it" when they get something they shouldn't have. This way if they ever get something harmful to them you just give the command and they drop it. Roxie used to like dryer sheets.

mackymom · 03-15-2009, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver

OR, maybe you need to puppy proof your house. No paper within easy reach = she won't be shredding it. Put kleenex boxes in inaccessible places, toilet paper on the back of the toilet, buy garbage cans with lids.

I agree. We probably all have experienced an emptied box of Kleenex spread happily across a room...I have two babies and they each have done it once maybe twice before I learned puppy proof..puppy proof...puppy proof.....Even making a mess like that they are still so darn cute doing it!

Nikis2 · 03-15-2009, 06:18 AM

Hi there sounds like you have a normal baby yorkie on your hands. Mine love when I accidentally drop something and they can get it and run away with it. I just laugh at them and take it away. It is a game to a baby and they certainly really don't no its so bad to be smacked for. I have never raised my hand to a baby let alone an adult dog. Geez! I have never raised my hand to my children who do way more things worst than chewing a piece of paper. I think a stern voice is really all you need or clap your hands. If your baby gets into something that is your fault to begin with than why would you spank her. I would just take it from her and give her a toy to play with. She will grow out of being a baby and wanting to play with all things but the memory of him spanking her will be there forever and she will probably start running from him when he calls her or wants to pick her up. I don't no about you but I love when my little guys do crazy things they just crack me up and I bet she looks cute as heck running through your home with a prize in her mouth. Too cute!

FlDebra · 03-15-2009, 07:37 PM

I think the only way to keep it from happening is to ensure there is never any paper or tissue within their reach, which is a lot easier said than done. I have tried the firm "no" after getting their attention at the site of their misdeed but it has not worked so far. A stray Kleenex is still too great a temptation for them to pass up. Ben will root in the laundry basket to pull one from my pants pocket. I don't get mad, I figure if they are resourceful enough to find one, they get the fun and I get the clean-up job. Just part of having a Yorkie.

Hope you can quickly convince the fiance that spanking is NOT the way to go. Hopefully he will acquiesce to you since you are the one with experience.

Baileyrosemomma · 03-15-2009, 08:21 PM

If she does not get into things to get it then it really is not her fault if it is on the floor. My babies think anything on the floor is fair game. Mine do not seek but someone will always drop paper, tissue, napkins, or paper towels on the floor and they will get to them before we do. There will be a mess over the WHOLE house from one stinking napkin! I do not get angry I just pick it up and grumble under my breath. I would never spank my girls for any reason. I have tapped them on their nose lightly with my finger so they knew I was not happy with them but never enough to hurt them. All I really have to do it put my finger on their nose and have a stern mad voice and they know. Right now our issue is they keep finding the baby's binkys and they chew them up. Poor baby is almost out now...lol. And they know they are not supposed to have them. If they see me come in the room when they have one...the run off with it under the couch. It is hard to not laugh though when they take off with it and it is their mouth and it looks like they are using the binky. As far as my hubby goes...I yell at him if he just talks to them in the wrong tone of voice. If he spanked them...he would be in the doghouse...lol.

LilMissy · 03-15-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by carmengamble

Chloe is 15 weeks old, and yes..she does get into a lot of things. She finds paper and shreds it, kleenex, etc. My fiance gets really mad about this and thinks that she should know not to. I try to tell him that she is just a puppy and by just saying "NO" in a firm voice, she will eventually learn.

He thinks that it is okay to spank her when she does something like this. I don't think this is okay at all. Caesar Millan says that it is okay to give the dog a light tap and say "NO" firmly, so they know that you mean business, but never a hit or spank. What can I do to make her stop? Anyone else have this problem? What can I tell my fiance. He never spanks her hard, but I just fear that it will harm their relationship and that she will be afraid of him if it keeps up. She is a wonderful puppy and him and I both love her dearly!

Thanks for any advice!

Wow - she's only 15 weeks old and he thinks that she should know better? That's not very fair to her at all! Give her a chance to learn the ropes. She's still a baby!

I hope that you plan on teaching your fiancee that dogs should never think of hands as being hurtful. There are much better methods to use while training your Yorkie. I also agree with what others have said. Whatever is laying on the floor is fair game for a puppy, just like it would be for a human baby. It is you and your fiancee's responsibility to be sure that all of these things are picked up. Please don't punish her for being a curious and playful puppy.

P.S. I'm saying this in the nicest possible way but...I can understand why some people are suggesting ditching the fiancee. I've known my husband for going on 20 yrs now..if he EVER laid a hand on my dog or our 3 kids (even gently), his butt would be out the door so fast. Ask him! He knows it and agrees. I hope you guys can work this out.

salazark · 03-15-2009, 09:42 PM

I highly reccomend "puppy kindergarden" if you can find a positive one (clicker method). I learned so much about how to get the behavior I want and discourage (positively) the ones I don't. My girl is by no means perfect, but I learned so much about how to get "what I want" out of her. My teacher always said to get out the newspaper, roll it up, and firmly swat the trainer and say "bad trainer" because it's usually something you do. Seriously though, she has come so far.

Mitzis Mom · 03-15-2009, 11:15 PM

The idea to get a book and to read it together is a real good one. You and your fiance have to learn and so does your puppy.

Dogs and especially Yorkies are very smart and eager to please, so everything you acknowledge makes an imprint in the brain and every positive imprint is way more effective than a negative one.

So... if you (or your fiance) punish your puppy when she does something 'wrong' that will stick but probably in a way you didn't intend and not as much as if you praise everything she does right. Punishment is not to confuse with discipline (that's what Ceasar does with his taps.)

Maybe you could play with her 'leave it!' Put a paper or Kleenex in front of her and keep her from taking it by gently blocking her to get to it and the command 'leave it!'. When she does good give her a tiny bit of treat and praise her, if not start all over without paying any attention to the 'mistake'. You'll see she's going to learn really fast...

Besides that, maybe your fiance can learn 'leave her' too and just clean the little mess up... Shredding paper and stealing Kleenex is just soooooooo much fun!!!!!

mscat · 03-16-2009, 06:16 AM

Your puppy will and is suppose to get into everything she can. My Suzi still does , and she is over a year old.
The problem with the "teaching" method your finace is using is negative reinforcment. This is going to produce a fearful dog in the long run, and a hand shy little yorkie. She may not trust people, and will have a hard time socially. create all kinds of issues down the road for your littlle Yorkie. AND, also make her aggressive.
Imangine, a great big hand coming down on a 2-4 lb sized you? it is never right to use physical punishment, no matter what.
Clean the mess up your puppy makes, she will continue doing it, and try puppy proofing your home better. Do not allow your Fiance or anybody to spank, or strike your puppy. This should never be tolerated. I would be laying down the rules , and sticking to them ... What if he accidently spanked her too hard?

Bria · 03-16-2009, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by margaritaville

If your puppy tears something up it's your fault! Once I realized that, there was no reason to get upset with the dog. This (see pix) is how I live. Friday I had to find a different bra than I planned to wear because he took my bra and ran with it and I didn;t have time to chase him.

I agree when we can't find things we already know to look under the bed...but we no longer blame the dog because if you WANT something then don't leave it on the floor if its left on the floor its fair game for Bria even my 4 yr old knows this she now keeps the door to her bedroom closed!

phfgkl · 03-16-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by carmengamble

It is definitely puppy proofed

She just gets pieces of paper that are dropped, like receipts & wrappers

Okay, if she's getting in to papers like receipts and wrappers, why should she get in trouble for the HUMANS mistake.?? When a dog does something wrong, it's not the dogs fault, it's the human. I agree, drop the fiancee. If my hubby was spanking my dogs for something he did, he would be out the door, and we've been married 32 years!

chelop555 · 03-16-2009, 06:54 AM

The best way to puppy proof(and it sounds silly!)is to crawl around on the floor and see what they see. You would be surprised how many small places to explore and things there to chew from this angle!

I never realized that all my electrical cords which I thought were safely tucked under my heating vents were visable when you are only 4 to 6 inches high!!

And the lint and tiny papers visible in the carpet! I need a maid!!!! Haha!

Katylou · 03-16-2009, 02:23 PM

Please do not hit your dog. It only creates fear. If your dog is still a puppy it sounds like a puppy thing. All puppies like to chew and tear up paper. Just keep it out of reach.

mscat · 03-16-2009, 03:20 PM

ALL puppies love to tear up paper . That is so much fun for them. What my concern is , what will your man do with your little yorkie when she makes a "big mistake?" is he is already spanking for her for something so minor, and never ever uncalled for, what will he do to her if and "when" Chloe goes pee or poo on the carpet? They all have accidents. What will he do to her then? Just something to think about.
Has this guy ever been around little puppies before? little children? babies? tells a lot about a man , I feel who would spank a tiny pup for playing, or for ANY reason

QuickSilver · 03-16-2009, 04:09 PM

If your fiance is not losing his temper, I think it's just a matter of educating him. It wasn't so long ago that hitting dogs with a rolled up newspaper was a matter of course, so I don't find it so shocking that someone would still do this.

As everyone has said, most dogs consider paper to be a fabulous toy. Imagine that your dog was a toddler and every piece of paper was instead a piece of candy. Your toddler would be scouring the floors trying to find every piece he could. This is how paper is for your puppy.

I agree that teaching her Leave It / Drop It is a great way to go, but I still discover ripped up tissues from time to time, and my dog is almost 3 years old.

03-15-2009, 05:28 AM	#31
roxies_mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: central illinois Posts: 1,396 Blog Entries: 1	Luvfla has an awsome idea about the book. Reading helps so much and I always learn new things and tips. Some people on here have suggested in the past to teach the pup to "leave it" when they get something they shouldn't have. This way if they ever get something harmful to them you just give the command and they drop it. Roxie used to like dryer sheets. Last edited by roxies_mom; 03-15-2009 at 05:30 AM.

03-15-2009, 07:37 PM	#34
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	I think the only way to keep it from happening is to ensure there is never any paper or tissue within their reach, which is a lot easier said than done. I have tried the firm "no" after getting their attention at the site of their misdeed but it has not worked so far. A stray Kleenex is still too great a temptation for them to pass up. Ben will root in the laundry basket to pull one from my pants pocket. I don't get mad, I figure if they are resourceful enough to find one, they get the fun and I get the clean-up job. Just part of having a Yorkie. Hope you can quickly convince the fiance that spanking is NOT the way to go. Hopefully he will acquiesce to you since you are the one with experience. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

03-15-2009, 08:21 PM	#35
Baileyrosemomma Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: VA Posts: 69	If she does not get into things to get it then it really is not her fault if it is on the floor. My babies think anything on the floor is fair game. Mine do not seek but someone will always drop paper, tissue, napkins, or paper towels on the floor and they will get to them before we do. There will be a mess over the WHOLE house from one stinking napkin! I do not get angry I just pick it up and grumble under my breath. I would never spank my girls for any reason. I have tapped them on their nose lightly with my finger so they knew I was not happy with them but never enough to hurt them. All I really have to do it put my finger on their nose and have a stern mad voice and they know. Right now our issue is they keep finding the baby's binkys and they chew them up. Poor baby is almost out now...lol. And they know they are not supposed to have them. If they see me come in the room when they have one...the run off with it under the couch. It is hard to not laugh though when they take off with it and it is their mouth and it looks like they are using the binky. As far as my hubby goes...I yell at him if he just talks to them in the wrong tone of voice. If he spanked them...he would be in the doghouse...lol. Last edited by Baileyrosemomma; 03-15-2009 at 08:25 PM. Reason: types like a 2nd grader sometimes

03-15-2009, 11:15 PM	#38
Mitzis Mom No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,837	The idea to get a book and to read it together is a real good one. You and your fiance have to learn and so does your puppy. Dogs and especially Yorkies are very smart and eager to please, so everything you acknowledge makes an imprint in the brain and every positive imprint is way more effective than a negative one. So... if you (or your fiance) punish your puppy when she does something 'wrong' that will stick but probably in a way you didn't intend and not as much as if you praise everything she does right. Punishment is not to confuse with discipline (that's what Ceasar does with his taps.) Maybe you could play with her 'leave it!' Put a paper or Kleenex in front of her and keep her from taking it by gently blocking her to get to it and the command 'leave it!'. When she does good give her a tiny bit of treat and praise her, if not start all over without paying any attention to the 'mistake'. You'll see she's going to learn really fast... Besides that, maybe your fiance can learn 'leave her' too and just clean the little mess up... Shredding paper and stealing Kleenex is just soooooooo much fun!!!!! Last edited by Mitzis Mom; 03-15-2009 at 11:17 PM.

03-16-2009, 06:16 AM	#39
mscat YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hanford, CA Posts: 4,895	Your puppy will and is suppose to get into everything she can. My Suzi still does , and she is over a year old. The problem with the "teaching" method your finace is using is negative reinforcment. This is going to produce a fearful dog in the long run, and a hand shy little yorkie. She may not trust people, and will have a hard time socially. create all kinds of issues down the road for your littlle Yorkie. AND, also make her aggressive. Imangine, a great big hand coming down on a 2-4 lb sized you? it is never right to use physical punishment, no matter what. Clean the mess up your puppy makes, she will continue doing it, and try puppy proofing your home better. Do not allow your Fiance or anybody to spank, or strike your puppy. This should never be tolerated. I would be laying down the rules , and sticking to them ... What if he accidently spanked her too hard? __________________ "No matter how little money & how few possessions, you own, having a dog makes you rich." Last edited by mscat; 03-16-2009 at 06:18 AM.

03-15-2009, 06:18 AM	#33
Nikis2 Currently Suspended! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Berlin MD US Posts: 381	Hi there sounds like you have a normal baby yorkie on your hands. Mine love when I accidentally drop something and they can get it and run away with it. I just laugh at them and take it away. It is a game to a baby and they certainly really don't no its so bad to be smacked for. I have never raised my hand to a baby let alone an adult dog. Geez! I have never raised my hand to my children who do way more things worst than chewing a piece of paper. I think a stern voice is really all you need or clap your hands. If your baby gets into something that is your fault to begin with than why would you spank her. I would just take it from her and give her a toy to play with. She will grow out of being a baby and wanting to play with all things but the memory of him spanking her will be there forever and she will probably start running from him when he calls her or wants to pick her up. I don't no about you but I love when my little guys do crazy things they just crack me up and I bet she looks cute as heck running through your home with a prize in her mouth. Too cute!

03-15-2009, 09:42 PM	#37
salazark Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 941	I highly reccomend "puppy kindergarden" if you can find a positive one (clicker method). I learned so much about how to get the behavior I want and discourage (positively) the ones I don't. My girl is by no means perfect, but I learned so much about how to get "what I want" out of her. My teacher always said to get out the newspaper, roll it up, and firmly swat the trainer and say "bad trainer" because it's usually something you do. Seriously though, she has come so far.

03-16-2009, 06:54 AM	#42
chelop555 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Fairhaven,MA Posts: 94	The best way to puppy proof(and it sounds silly!)is to crawl around on the floor and see what they see. You would be surprised how many small places to explore and things there to chew from this angle! I never realized that all my electrical cords which I thought were safely tucked under my heating vents were visable when you are only 4 to 6 inches high!! And the lint and tiny papers visible in the carpet! I need a maid!!!! Haha!

03-16-2009, 02:23 PM	#43
Katylou Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 335	Please do not hit your dog. It only creates fear. If your dog is still a puppy it sounds like a puppy thing. All puppies like to chew and tear up paper. Just keep it out of reach.

03-16-2009, 03:20 PM	#44
mscat YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hanford, CA Posts: 4,895	ALL puppies love to tear up paper . That is so much fun for them. What my concern is , what will your man do with your little yorkie when she makes a "big mistake?" is he is already spanking for her for something so minor, and never ever uncalled for, what will he do to her if and "when" Chloe goes pee or poo on the carpet? They all have accidents. What will he do to her then? Just something to think about. Has this guy ever been around little puppies before? little children? babies? tells a lot about a man , I feel who would spank a tiny pup for playing, or for ANY reason __________________ "No matter how little money & how few possessions, you own, having a dog makes you rich."

03-16-2009, 04:09 PM	#45
QuickSilver Thor's Human Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,929 Blog Entries: 31	If your fiance is not losing his temper, I think it's just a matter of educating him. It wasn't so long ago that hitting dogs with a rolled up newspaper was a matter of course, so I don't find it so shocking that someone would still do this. As everyone has said, most dogs consider paper to be a fabulous toy. Imagine that your dog was a toddler and every piece of paper was instead a piece of candy. Your toddler would be scouring the floors trying to find every piece he could. This is how paper is for your puppy. I agree that teaching her Leave It / Drop It is a great way to go, but I still discover ripped up tissues from time to time, and my dog is almost 3 years old. __________________ If you love something, set it free. Unless it's an angry tiger.