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browniesmom622 · 01-11-2009, 10:42 AM

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Dogs do get embarrassed in their own way. When I used to first put clothes on Tootsie, if she were on the couch, she would turn her back to me and wouldn't even look at me. When Mom had to start putting a belly band on her older dog before he died, if she called them his diaper, he would go sit in the corner and pout, so, when she changed it to your big boys pants, then he was okay with that. Dogs are funny and do get embarrassed in their own way.

I think it's because they don't like it not because there embarrassed. JMO

QuickSilver · 01-11-2009, 10:51 AM

I think it's really easy to project our own expectations onto dogs, particularly because their faces are not as expressive as a human's. If we don't give our dog a treat, we imagine that it is looking at us sadly, reproachfully, accusingly, etc. When my guess is, the dog is thinking "I want a treat."

Dogs that are missing eyes and/or limbs still frolick around without a care in the world. Dogs don't think that they are ugly or fat, or, in my opinion, poorly dressed. It's just not part of their make up.

phfgkl · 01-11-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by browniesmom622

I think it's because they don't like it not because there embarrassed. JMO

I don't think so. She was on the floor for awhile and would walk around and not look at me, then it was like she was pouting when she was on the couch. She would play with the other 3 dogs, but, was disgusted with me I think for putting that dress on her. Like I said, dogs are funny, we don't really know what they're thinking. I've had dogs too that have gotten shaved down, and they hide when they look ridiculous, and I've noticed my other dogs picking on them when they get haircuts also. Dogs I think feel and know more than humans give them credit for

phfgkl · 01-11-2009, 12:31 PM

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Yes, in fact some dogs can get very embarrassed such as you scolding them in front of company you may have over. They will generally put their tail between their legs and wander off and some may hide under couches or lay on their bed

phfgkl · 01-11-2009, 12:35 PM

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QuickSilver · 01-11-2009, 01:18 PM

To me, that is different. There is some evidence that dogs feel guilt, and possibly shame. However, I don't believe there is anything credible that indicates that they have fashion sense. Even if they did, why would they have the same as ours? To use the shaving example, why would a dog think it looked worse shaved, even if you happen to? Why would all the other dogs share that opinion? I mean, HUMANS don't all agree about fashion, why would dogs?

phfgkl · 01-11-2009, 01:20 PM

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To me, that is different. There is some evidence that dogs feel guilt, and possibly shame. However, I don't believe there is anything credible that indicates that they have fashion sense. Even if they did, why would they have the same as ours? To use the shaving example, why would a dog think it looked worse shaved, even if you happen to? Why would all the other dogs share that opinion? I mean, HUMANS don't all agree about fashion, why would dogs?

I can tell you from experience, I have had that happen. When I shaved my biewer down, he looked really funny, I told him he was pretty, but, the three dogs I had at the time(still have 2 of them) ganged up on the poor little guy biting at him, the thing is they always got along. I have seen things, and I think dogs have feelings and emotions and a lot of them can be like ours. No one really knows what goes on in their minds

QuickSilver · 01-11-2009, 01:31 PM

Sure, I agree. However, couldn't your dogs simply have been put off simply because he looked different to them? Or picking up on your own emotions?

Yorkiekids · 01-11-2009, 01:43 PM

I don't really dress mine here in Florida, but I have to say if I get one done, and not the other there's a major sniffing situation around here.

phfgkl · 01-11-2009, 02:11 PM

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Sure, I agree. However, couldn't your dogs simply have been put off simply because he looked different to them? Or picking up on your own emotions?

I honestly don't think so. I told him how pretty he was, I always tell my dogs they're pretty, the other dogs know who they are, shaving them doesn't mean they don't know who they are. Like I said, everyone has their own opinion, in my opinion they do get embarrassed. I've seen it more than once in my 50 years of life with dogs

cinnamonmon · 01-11-2009, 07:58 PM

To each their own, but I dont believe in dressing up dogs. I have had several dogs in my 53 years and currently have 3 little ones, 2 yorkies and one Maltese, and none of them like clothes. I dont know that I believe it leads to bad behavior...that seems silly but I dont think its healthy either.
I live in Ohio and it gets pretty cold here too, but none of my 3 will wear coats. I never would dress them up any other way, but coats seemed reasonable. They will absolutely not walk with them on...Ive tried several different types and they just refuse to move, so I gave up. We walk everyday no matter what the weather and I never notice them shivering...in fact they seem more energized in the cold weather.

mscat · 01-11-2009, 08:17 PM

I put a jacket on Suzi , and their are no problems. If you start out early, the dog gets use to wearing clothes. I do not think their is anything wrong with dressing a toy breed .

TheTeddyBear · 01-11-2009, 08:28 PM

Teddy crawls under the blankets to sleep, all the way under. I dont force him under he digs himself under.. clearly they need the jackets to stay warm and blankets too

chloesMama · 01-11-2009, 08:58 PM

I just don't see a dog feeling "silly" because he has a coat / sweater on. If they didn't like the jacket I would tend to think it's more a matter of how the coat feels to the dog ( hindering movement , unusual , stiff) more than how the dog feels he looks in it. He may not like it but I don't think it's embarrassment he is feeling. I think it's very egocentric to assume that animals must feel things the same way we do and for the same reasons.

Chloe is 2.5 lbs. and I will put a coat on her when it's cold and we go out for a walk.I guess she will just have to take the chance of being giggled at by the other dogs in the neighborhood as she walks by

QuickSilver · 01-11-2009, 11:01 PM

Obviously there are limits. I don't like it when people treat dogs like sentient accessories, but if they need to be warm, why not let them be stylish?

Thor is super-sensitive to the rain, and the cold, even here in San Fran. He's definitely a fair weather dog. I actually have not found any clothing yet that changes his mind about the weather. I wonder how warm his clothes can be anyway, since his paws are on the ground, and his butt and belly are exposed for obvious reasons.

His former owner was very into dressing him up, so he's pretty mellow about being dressed. I am hoping that if I can acclimate him to boots and get him an adorable little rain jacket that I can at least convince him to go outside in the rain. It rains a lot in this city!

01-11-2009, 01:43 PM	#24
Yorkiekids Piper & Sebastian Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: florida Posts: 14,495	I don't really dress mine here in Florida, but I have to say if I get one done, and not the other there's a major sniffing situation around here. __________________ Susan, Piper ,Harley & Suiki

01-11-2009, 08:17 PM	#27
mscat YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hanford, CA Posts: 4,895	I put a jacket on Suzi , and their are no problems. If you start out early, the dog gets use to wearing clothes. I do not think their is anything wrong with dressing a toy breed . __________________ "No matter how little money & how few possessions, you own, having a dog makes you rich."

01-11-2009, 08:58 PM	#29
chloesMama YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: here :) Posts: 1,182	I just don't see a dog feeling "silly" because he has a coat / sweater on. If they didn't like the jacket I would tend to think it's more a matter of how the coat feels to the dog ( hindering movement , unusual , stiff) more than how the dog feels he looks in it. He may not like it but I don't think it's embarrassment he is feeling. I think it's very egocentric to assume that animals must feel things the same way we do and for the same reasons. Chloe is 2.5 lbs. and I will put a coat on her when it's cold and we go out for a walk.I guess she will just have to take the chance of being giggled at by the other dogs in the neighborhood as she walks by __________________ *Chloe & Sydney*

01-11-2009, 10:51 AM	#17
QuickSilver Thor's Human Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,929 Blog Entries: 31	I think it's really easy to project our own expectations onto dogs, particularly because their faces are not as expressive as a human's. If we don't give our dog a treat, we imagine that it is looking at us sadly, reproachfully, accusingly, etc. When my guess is, the dog is thinking "I want a treat." Dogs that are missing eyes and/or limbs still frolick around without a care in the world. Dogs don't think that they are ugly or fat, or, in my opinion, poorly dressed. It's just not part of their make up.

01-11-2009, 12:31 PM	#19
phfgkl BANNED! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,376	this was on wikianswers, you have to scroll way down to bottom of post for answer http://site2.wikianswers.com/templat..._q.gif?v=36882Do dogs get embarrassed? In: Dog Behavior [Edit categories] [Edit] http://site2.wikianswers.com/templat...y1.gif?v=36882 http://site2.wikianswers.com/templat...1b.gif?v=36882 [Edit] http://site2.wikianswers.com/templat..._a.gif?v=36882 Answer Yes, in fact some dogs can get very embarrassed such as you scolding them in front of company you may have over. They will generally put their tail between their legs and wander off and some may hide under couches or lay on their bed

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01-11-2009, 01:18 PM	#21
QuickSilver Thor's Human Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,929 Blog Entries: 31	To me, that is different. There is some evidence that dogs feel guilt, and possibly shame. However, I don't believe there is anything credible that indicates that they have fashion sense. Even if they did, why would they have the same as ours? To use the shaving example, why would a dog think it looked worse shaved, even if you happen to? Why would all the other dogs share that opinion? I mean, HUMANS don't all agree about fashion, why would dogs?

01-11-2009, 01:31 PM	#23
QuickSilver Thor's Human Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,929 Blog Entries: 31	Sure, I agree. However, couldn't your dogs simply have been put off simply because he looked different to them? Or picking up on your own emotions?

01-11-2009, 07:58 PM	#26
cinnamonmon Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: cincinnati Posts: 194	To each their own, but I dont believe in dressing up dogs. I have had several dogs in my 53 years and currently have 3 little ones, 2 yorkies and one Maltese, and none of them like clothes. I dont know that I believe it leads to bad behavior...that seems silly but I dont think its healthy either. I live in Ohio and it gets pretty cold here too, but none of my 3 will wear coats. I never would dress them up any other way, but coats seemed reasonable. They will absolutely not walk with them on...Ive tried several different types and they just refuse to move, so I gave up. We walk everyday no matter what the weather and I never notice them shivering...in fact they seem more energized in the cold weather.

01-11-2009, 08:28 PM	#28
TheTeddyBear Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 73	Teddy crawls under the blankets to sleep, all the way under. I dont force him under he digs himself under.. clearly they need the jackets to stay warm and blankets too

01-11-2009, 11:01 PM	#30
QuickSilver Thor's Human Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,929 Blog Entries: 31	Obviously there are limits. I don't like it when people treat dogs like sentient accessories, but if they need to be warm, why not let them be stylish? Thor is super-sensitive to the rain, and the cold, even here in San Fran. He's definitely a fair weather dog. I actually have not found any clothing yet that changes his mind about the weather. I wonder how warm his clothes can be anyway, since his paws are on the ground, and his butt and belly are exposed for obvious reasons. His former owner was very into dressing him up, so he's pretty mellow about being dressed. I am hoping that if I can acclimate him to boots and get him an adorable little rain jacket that I can at least convince him to go outside in the rain. It rains a lot in this city!