Questions About Golden & Parti Yorkies

[zenzele]

Just curious I have read that these yorkies do not meet AKC standard and therefore cannot be registered, but I have seen websites professing to register these dogs.

Also I have also read that these dogs have genetic defects and should not be breed because of future health and skin problems. For owners of golden or parti's how old are your yorkies, and have you had any skin or health problems? What are the websites for where you got your dog?

I personally think these are cute dogs and offer a variety on the breed but have hesitated to acquire one because they seem to get negative press. Tell me about your yorkies, I am considering getting a 3rd yorkie in the future and for a variety would like a parti.

[PrincessDiana]

Parti yorkies can be AKC registered, I'm not sure about golden.

[Nancy1999]

Have you considered a Biewer? While they can't be registered with the AKC yet, they probably will be allowed to someday, and they actually have a standard. They look similar to a Parti, but have specific markings. The Parti can be registered, but it's just under the Yorkshire terrier name, and this is considered a fault, like a bad bite. Biewers are registered with a European registry, but others can tell you more about this. They are a beautiful dog; and many owners say that their personality is a little more laid back then the Yorkie. Unfortunately, because of the popularity of "off colored dogs", it has attracted many poor breeders who are only breeding for the off trait, and are not taking into consideration other genetic flaws the dam or sire could have. So while there may be no real diseases linked to the Parti as yet, so many "greeders" are indiscriminately breeding them for this one trait only. A good breeder looks at many different traits, not just one, and when puppies are born with genetic problems they would stop breeding the dam and sire, but this doesn't happen with some Parti breeders or golden breeders because money is their only motivation. So while the puppies can be cute, finding a good breeder would be extreemly difficult.

[JeanieK]

Partis and goldens do not meet YTCA standards and cannot be shown. They are however accepted by AKC as being pure bred yorkies and can be registered. Biewers on the other hand, are not accepted by the AKC. However there are other registries that to regester them.

And yes Nancy1999, they are registered as pure bred Yorkshire Terriers. They come from 2 purebred yorkies and therefore ARE purebred yorkies. A 15 pound yorkie does not meet standards either, nevertheless, it is purebred yorkie if it has two purebred parents.

The Biewer's origins are in Germany, but it's heritage is the same. it is the product of two traditional colored yorkshire terriers, frequently of Championship backgrounds, who both carrtied the piebald gene and passed it on to their offspring resulting in a tri colored puppy.

The breeders of the off colored yorkies are just as concerned about the health and temprament of their puppies as those who produce the traditional colored yorkies. There are good and ad breeders in both lots.

In fact the chances of buying a poorly bred traduitional colored yorkie is much greater than buying a poorly bred off colored yorkie. due to the cost of the off colored ones, most off colored yorkie breeders take very good care of their dogs, as opposed to puppy millers who buy and breed the chepest dogs that they can find.

Off colored yorkie breeders are just as responsible as the traditional colored breeders, we too have reputations to protect. we breed the off colors because we believe that these dogs are beautiful and that the YTCA should not have the right to dictate as to which colors should survive, and people have the right to own the these gorgeous dogs.

A puppy of any breed or color is only as good as it's breeder. and there are good and bad on both sides.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Have you considered a Biewer? While they can't be registered with the AKC yet, they probably will be allowed to someday, and they actually have a standard. They look similar to a Parti, but have specific markings. The Parti can be registered, but it's just under the Yorkshire terrier name, and this is considered a fault, like a bad bite. Biewers are registered with a European registry, but others can tell you more about this. They are a beautiful dog; and many owners say that their personality is a little more laid back then the Yorkie. Unfortunately, because of the popularity of "off colored dogs", it has attracted many poor breeders who are only breeding for the off trait, and are not taking into consideration other genetic flaws the dam or sire could have. So while there may be no real diseases linked to the Parti as yet, so many "greeders" are indiscriminately breeding them for this one trait only. A good breeder looks at many different traits, not just one, and when puppies are born with genetic problems they would stop breeding the dam and sire, but this doesn't happen with some Parti breeders or golden breeders because money is their only motivation. So while the puppies can be cute, finding a good breeder would be extreemly difficult.

I agree!! Very well stated!!

[zenzele]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Have you considered a Biewer? While they can't be registered with the AKC yet, they probably will be allowed to someday, and they actually have a standard. They look similar to a Parti, but have specific markings. The Parti can be registered, but it's just under the Yorkshire terrier name, and this is considered a fault, like a bad bite. Biewers are registered with a European registry, but others can tell you more about this. They are a beautiful dog; and many owners say that their personality is a little more laid back then the Yorkie. Unfortunately, because of the popularity of "off colored dogs", it has attracted many poor breeders who are only breeding for the off trait, and are not taking into consideration other genetic flaws the dam or sire could have. So while there may be no real diseases linked to the Parti as yet, so many "greeders" are indiscriminately breeding them for this one trait only. A good breeder looks at many different traits, not just one, and when puppies are born with genetic problems they would stop breeding the dam and sire, but this doesn't happen with some Parti breeders or golden breeders because money is their only motivation. So while the puppies can be cute, finding a good breeder would be extreemly difficult.

I thought Biewers and Parti's were the same type dog, other than your description above what are other differences between the two and how do you tell one from the other?

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by zenzele

Just curious I have read that these yorkies do not meet AKC standard and therefore cannot be registered, but I have seen websites professing to register these dogs.

Also I have also read that these dogs have genetic defects and should not be breed because of future health and skin problems. For owners of golden or parti's how old are your yorkies, and have you had any skin or health problems? What are the websites for where you got your dog?

I personally think these are cute dogs and offer a variety on the breed but have hesitated to acquire one because they seem to get negative press. Tell me about your yorkies, I am considering getting a 3rd yorkie in the future and for a variety would like a parti.

I own a beautiful parti dog and an adorable parti gene carrier....both of them are extremely healthy! Have fun searching for your perfect parti baby. If you need some suggestions on reputable breeders, feel free to send me a private message.




Tammy

[zoeybear]

Do Parti's get their tail docked? I know it is traditional not to dock Beiwer's.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by zoeybear

Do Parti's get their tail docked? I know it is traditional not to dock Beiwer's.

Yes, the parti has a docked tail.

[JeanieK]

Also just on a side note


Not all breed clubs have set standards. The border collie does not have set standards because they do not wish to exclude any healthy specimen.

There are several other breeds that do not have set standards also. they are shown under the miscellaneous class.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by zoeybear

Do Parti's get their tail docked? I know it is traditional not to dock Beiwer's.

Biewers do not have docked tails because they are of european origin and in Europe they do not dock tails. Even traditional colored yorkies do not have docked tails, in Europe,

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by zenzele

I thought Biewers and Parti's were the same type dog, other than your description above what are other differences between the two and how do you tell one from the other?

You might want to read this link: Biewer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, there are several Biewer clubs, and they do have a standard with specific markings. Since the Biewer originated in Germany they also don't crop the tail, and that standard has stayed in the US. As far as I know, the Parti has no standard other than the regular Yorkshire Terrier Standard.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by zenzele

I thought Biewers and Parti's were the same type dog, other than your description above what are other differences between the two and how do you tell one from the other?

You are right, they are the same dog, they are both tri colored yorkshire terriers.

The Biewer has it's own club and it's own standard, because in Europe they allow it. But it is not accepted by the AKC because it has not done the required DNA testing that the parti has.

That is not altogether accurate either. There are different lines of Bioewers, as there are of the parti colored yorkies. At least one of these lin=s has done NA testing and it has shown that they are not purebred yorkshire terrier. some lines of biewer do not have the gold in the face, it remains black nd white.

My parti colored yorki9es came from the line that did the extensive DNA testing for the AKC. I am sure that there are lines out there that would not pass this test and they are just riding on the reputation of those who have passed.

Likewise there re many REGISTERED traditional colored yorkshire terriers that wsould not pass that test either.

As stated before a puppy, of any breed or color, is only as good as it's breeder.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You might want to read this link: Biewer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, there are several Biewer clubs, and they do have a standard with specific markings. Since the Biewer originated in Germany they also don't crop the tail, and that standard has stayed in the US. As far as I know, the Parti has no standard other than the regular Yorkshire Terrier Standard.

That was very interesting. Mosting interesting is the use of the word RARE.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You are right, they are the same dog, they are both tri colored yorkshire terriers.

The Biewer has it's own club and it's own standard, because in Europe they allow it. But it is not accepted by the AKC because it has not done the required DNA testing that the parti has.

That is not altogether accurate either. There are different lines of Bioewers, as there are of the parti colored yorkies. At least one of these lin=s has done NA testing and it has shown that they are not purebred yorkshire terrier. some lines of biewer do not have the gold in the face, it remains black nd white.

My parti colored yorki9es came from the line that did the extensive DNA testing for the AKC. I am sure that there are lines out there that would not pass this test and they are just riding on the reputation of those who have passed.

Likewise there re many REGISTERED traditional colored yorkshire terriers that wsould not pass that test either.

As stated before a puppy, of any breed or color, is only as good as it's breeder.

As far as I'm concerned, a biewer and a parti are NOT the same. The biewer is now considered a breed of their own