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ScootieBootie · 06-11-2008, 12:44 PM

The post about the loss of Coco has led my to type this post, in hopes that people will see the "big picture" and not focus on an isolated event.

In the above mentioned thread, a poster made the comment about pit bulls being banned, (as it was a pit bull that attacked little Coco) and unfortunately, this will not end the problems that people think it will.

1. Once pit bulls are banned, another dog will takes it's place.
2. Once the next dog is banned, another will become the target.

It will go on and on until dog ownership only gives you a choice of plush or wooden...

Yorkies can be deadly. Laugh if you want, but it is no laughing matter. One of my clients had 5 dogs at one time...3 yorkies, a pom and a mini poodle. She kept two of the yorkies in a crate together.

One day, I got a horrible call from her, that her one yorkie had attacked the other and almsot killed her. The little girl yorkie who was injured had internal bleeding, bloody urine, almost lost her back legs due to severe bite wounds.

She was devastated. No one was home to see what triggered the event. Did the little one yelp in pain and set (the other yorkie) off? Did play get to rough and there was no where to escape? Did the little one have a seizure??? We will NEVER know what caused the little boy to turn and litterally attack and almost kill that little girl yorkie.

Because of the severity of the attack, the guilt the owners felt over leaving two dogs crated together, and the resentment they felt toward the "offending" dog who did such a horrible thing, they decided to re-home the little boy with a wolf's bite.

That "little boy" is my Scooter. Being around him, you would never know he could be so vicious.

My household is multi dog, multi pet. I have a pit bull named Liberty, who was dumped, and left to starve in a park after having her pups ripped from her. She is my "foster mama" and has helped raise calm, gentle pups who learned from her how to be excellent pets.

My second dog, Lucy, is a lab/pit mix whose main goal in life is to love everyone and every thing. She actually "allows" Scooter to roll her over, win the wars, and have an all out great time playing.

Then there's Scooter. He goes every where we go, sleeps with the girls, Liberty and Lucy, and enjoys warding off potential intruders.

No one knows Scooter's background. My client, when living in Florida, answered a craigslist ad, set up a meet and greet time and place, and when they got there the people took her money and pretty much threw the dog at her and left in a jiffy. Who knows what was done to him while he lived with those people so eager to throw him to someone else?

Liberty, despite being starved to death, highly unsocialized (she only knew what a crate was...everything else indoors and out sent her into panic where she would look like she was going to go into cardiac arrest!) And even though her beginnings were so sad, so full of confinement, lonliness, and loss, she is the best daggone dog that I have ever had the pleasure of sharing my life with.

It is so important that people get off of the breed hate wagon, and start to put the blame where it really lies: with the owners!

No matter what breed you have or want, the following is crucial:
1. Socialization early! People, pets, places...let em se em!
2. Basic obedience: the earlier the better! Confidence boosting!
3. Getting your puppy at an older age...the extra time with mom and littermates will help the pup know how to act/react, know bite inhibition, know how to be a dog~
4. Don't want your dog to bark/bite/nip/chase when it's full grown? Stop it as soon as it starts to that you won't have problem behaviors!
5. Don't have a leashed in yard? WALK the dog ON LEASH!! There is not excuse not to have your dog on leash. There are so many dangers out there, it just doesn't make sense to me not to have that life line to my dogs!
6. Get your dogs spayed/neutered so that they will not have the urge to roam looking for a mate, won't become more aggressive due to hormonal changes, and will all and all make a better well rounded pet~

I know everyone here loves their dogs...it's evident in almost every post I've read here...(there have been a couple that have left me wondering...) I know that no one wants to lose their yorkie as tragically as Coco, or to any other reason.

Please all. Get your dogs chipped, get them fixed, get them trained!!! Make sure you do it all to keep them safe!!

ScootieBootie · 06-11-2008, 12:51 PM

I just found this in the memorial section: the loss of 'Dora due to a lab:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/mem...dora-gone.html

Jeri Cunningham · 06-11-2008, 12:58 PM

I truly believe there are not bad dogs just bad people. Training for all dogs is needed from the smallest to the largest. I have 7 sharing everything and no fighting or aggression as they know I won't allow it as alpha person in the house. I have had as many as 15 dogs at my house at once and could control all of them with just my voice.

Training people is the only way to go until then more little dogs will be killed/mangled by big dogs and the dog is NOT to blame!

Wylie's Mom · 06-11-2008, 01:21 PM

I am probably in the minority here, but I am against Breed Legislation. I do not support discrimination of ANY kind - whether against animals or people. Once legislation is allowed against ONE breed, it WILL then be allowed against ANY breed - that's the way the law works.

Dog violence is not the fault of the dogs. Here are some links, specifically about pit bulls - but really, they can teach us about misunderstanding any breed:

Pit bulls - facts and fiction
Pittie City... meet some of the rescued dogs at Best Friends
Latest Pit bulls are victims of media myths
Breed Specific Legislation
Pit bulls - the real story: News

Wylie's Mom · 06-11-2008, 01:22 PM

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ScootieBootie · 06-11-2008, 01:29 PM

I'm also against breed discrimination. I do my best to educate others, but some people are so brainwashed by the media and "other's experience."

Thanks for the great links!

cataholic · 06-11-2008, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I am probably in the minority here, but I am against Breed Legislation. I do not support discrimination of ANY kind - whether against animals or people. Once legislation is allowed against ONE breed, it WILL then be allowed against ANY breed - that's the way the law works.

I agree with you!

06-11-2008, 12:44 PM	#1
ScootieBootie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: NC Posts: 285	Dog on Dog Aggression/Fighting... The post about the loss of Coco has led my to type this post, in hopes that people will see the "big picture" and not focus on an isolated event. In the above mentioned thread, a poster made the comment about pit bulls being banned, (as it was a pit bull that attacked little Coco) and unfortunately, this will not end the problems that people think it will. 1. Once pit bulls are banned, another dog will takes it's place. 2. Once the next dog is banned, another will become the target. It will go on and on until dog ownership only gives you a choice of plush or wooden... Yorkies can be deadly. Laugh if you want, but it is no laughing matter. One of my clients had 5 dogs at one time...3 yorkies, a pom and a mini poodle. She kept two of the yorkies in a crate together. One day, I got a horrible call from her, that her one yorkie had attacked the other and almsot killed her. The little girl yorkie who was injured had internal bleeding, bloody urine, almost lost her back legs due to severe bite wounds. She was devastated. No one was home to see what triggered the event. Did the little one yelp in pain and set (the other yorkie) off? Did play get to rough and there was no where to escape? Did the little one have a seizure??? We will NEVER know what caused the little boy to turn and litterally attack and almost kill that little girl yorkie. Because of the severity of the attack, the guilt the owners felt over leaving two dogs crated together, and the resentment they felt toward the "offending" dog who did such a horrible thing, they decided to re-home the little boy with a wolf's bite. That "little boy" is my Scooter. Being around him, you would never know he could be so vicious. My household is multi dog, multi pet. I have a pit bull named Liberty, who was dumped, and left to starve in a park after having her pups ripped from her. She is my "foster mama" and has helped raise calm, gentle pups who learned from her how to be excellent pets. My second dog, Lucy, is a lab/pit mix whose main goal in life is to love everyone and every thing. She actually "allows" Scooter to roll her over, win the wars, and have an all out great time playing. Then there's Scooter. He goes every where we go, sleeps with the girls, Liberty and Lucy, and enjoys warding off potential intruders. No one knows Scooter's background. My client, when living in Florida, answered a craigslist ad, set up a meet and greet time and place, and when they got there the people took her money and pretty much threw the dog at her and left in a jiffy. Who knows what was done to him while he lived with those people so eager to throw him to someone else? Liberty, despite being starved to death, highly unsocialized (she only knew what a crate was...everything else indoors and out sent her into panic where she would look like she was going to go into cardiac arrest!) And even though her beginnings were so sad, so full of confinement, lonliness, and loss, she is the best daggone dog that I have ever had the pleasure of sharing my life with. It is so important that people get off of the breed hate wagon, and start to put the blame where it really lies: with the owners! No matter what breed you have or want, the following is crucial: 1. Socialization early! People, pets, places...let em se em! 2. Basic obedience: the earlier the better! Confidence boosting! 3. Getting your puppy at an older age...the extra time with mom and littermates will help the pup know how to act/react, know bite inhibition, know how to be a dog~ 4. Don't want your dog to bark/bite/nip/chase when it's full grown? Stop it as soon as it starts to that you won't have problem behaviors! 5. Don't have a leashed in yard? WALK the dog ON LEASH!! There is not excuse not to have your dog on leash. There are so many dangers out there, it just doesn't make sense to me not to have that life line to my dogs! 6. Get your dogs spayed/neutered so that they will not have the urge to roam looking for a mate, won't become more aggressive due to hormonal changes, and will all and all make a better well rounded pet~ I know everyone here loves their dogs...it's evident in almost every post I've read here...(there have been a couple that have left me wondering...) I know that no one wants to lose their yorkie as tragically as Coco, or to any other reason. Please all. Get your dogs chipped, get them fixed, get them trained!!! Make sure you do it all to keep them safe!!

06-11-2008, 12:58 PM	#3
Jeri Cunningham Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hercules,CA Posts: 2,057 Blog Entries: 1	I truly believe there are not bad dogs just bad people. Training for all dogs is needed from the smallest to the largest. I have 7 sharing everything and no fighting or aggression as they know I won't allow it as alpha person in the house. I have had as many as 15 dogs at my house at once and could control all of them with just my voice. Training people is the only way to go until then more little dogs will be killed/mangled by big dogs and the dog is NOT to blame! __________________ Mandy & Krissy & Teddy & Chelsey & Kayla Non-Yorkie: Rusty & Biewers: Darla & Spanky The Little Rascals

06-11-2008, 01:21 PM	#4
Wylie's Mom Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 35,889 Blog Entries: 2	I am probably in the minority here, but I am against Breed Legislation. I do not support discrimination of ANY kind - whether against animals or people. Once legislation is allowed against ONE breed, it WILL then be allowed against ANY breed - that's the way the law works. Dog violence is not the fault of the dogs. Here are some links, specifically about pit bulls - but really, they can teach us about misunderstanding any breed: Pit bulls - facts and fiction Pittie City... meet some of the rescued dogs at Best Friends Latest Pit bulls are victims of media myths Breed Specific Legislation Pit bulls - the real story: News __________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann \| Pfeiffer \| Marcel Verdel Purcell \| Wylie \| Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨°

06-11-2008, 01:22 PM	#5
Wylie's Mom Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 35,889 Blog Entries: 2	Duplicate Post __________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann \| Pfeiffer \| Marcel Verdel Purcell \| Wylie \| Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Last edited by Wylie's Mom; 06-11-2008 at 01:23 PM.

06-11-2008, 12:51 PM	#2
ScootieBootie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: NC Posts: 285	I just found this in the memorial section: the loss of 'Dora due to a lab: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/mem...dora-gone.html

06-11-2008, 01:29 PM	#6
ScootieBootie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: NC Posts: 285	I'm also against breed discrimination. I do my best to educate others, but some people are so brainwashed by the media and "other's experience." Thanks for the great links!