What makes a yorkie a Champion Yorkie? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

ojanpera · 07-03-2005, 05:04 PM

Hello,
I'm new to the yorkie forum and I'm wondering exactly what makes a yorkie a champion. I mean what are his colors, weight, etc... How can I tell?
Thanks for any help!
Ojanpera

YorkieRose · 07-03-2005, 05:10 PM

This question can not be answered by a post. He would need to be looked at by a judge or knowledgable breeder. Plus, they need show ring temperment...looking correct to the stndard is just one part...a big part, but still not the entire package.
Also..pedigree is vital, few show pups are from a pet pedigree..not all show pedigrees produce show pups either.

jwash · 07-03-2005, 05:37 PM

I'm curious about this as well, only from the standpoint that my little Lacey was very expensive and has a champion sire but was not considered champion material. She's a beauty certainly worth the money because she has a lot of qualities I wanted, she's got a great face, flat backbone, short legs and I did not want a show dog, just a tiny yorkie. The breeder was completely honest with me but I still wonder how they know at the puppy stage which ones have potential and which ones do not.

Stitches29 · 07-03-2005, 06:16 PM

Have no idea, but I would say a BUNCH of BLUE RIBBONS is a good start.

blykmyk44 · 07-03-2005, 06:18 PM

is that you laur?

whispersmom2 · 07-03-2005, 06:27 PM

Show dogs are born. If a puppy does not have the temperment, personality, and conformation no amount of training will make a champion. A puppy can have all of those things and still not be fit for the show ring.. There is so much that just comes from years of experience and it is not something that you can put into words. Just look at the post by Julz that said which puppy she had decided to keep from a litter. They just speak to us. That is one of the ways a show breeder/handler singles out that special puppy to groom for the ring..
All of that, proper pedigree and body lines makes for a start..One fault-say, improper ear size and set, slightly off bite and so on will keep a puppy/dog from the show ring but distracts nary a bit from their quality as a pet. That could explain why your ch. sired puppy is not being shown. It is very expensive and the breeder has to be 110% sure the pup is gonna make it to the top..

jwash · 07-04-2005, 07:49 AM

Thanks for the info, that makes a lot of sense. I appreciate it.

YorkieRose · 07-04-2005, 08:03 AM

Jwash...your clue might be the size. Too small is a big disavantage in some area of the country for show. I would not be interested in seriously showing a girl under 5 pounds..of course they can be shown at any size within the standard and win...but you put alot of time and money into a female who may not be a good breeding potential size-wise.
I would show a small male.

Simmy84 · 07-04-2005, 11:28 AM

For me a dog which has got champion qualities looks like this:

Confirm to the standard in nearly every point, that means for me doll face with good eye and ear setting, v-ears which are up, good expression( he or she should look like: I´m the most beautiful in here), black pigmentations, correct bite and teeth( for me that means I don´t mind if a premolar is missing but the yorkie must have 6/6), level top line both in stand and in move, straight for and hindquaters. Well tail set( not too deep). The hair has to be a heavy silk, straight and steelblue( not silver or black) on body. On head it should be a golden tan colour not too lite and it should be darker at muzzle and ears. The tail should be as straight as possible( because in Germany we arn´t allowed to cut them any longer).
This is only the look of a good dog. But what is as much important as this is health and temperament. A good yorkie should be PL-free and shouldn´t have other illnesses( there are too much to mention it all) and a really good show dog loves the show training and the show itself, if not it doesn´t make much sense to show it. The movement should be flowing without loosing topline or style. Very important are good lines(with champions in it of course although this is no insurence for a show quality puppy) with dogs which were checked against illnesses. If possible you should watch out for other kids out of that lines and if they are from good quality. Size should be about 2,5 kg to 3 kg.
To the second question. Yes a good breeder knows his lines and he also knows if a puppy has got show quality or not. Very often there are only very small differences between a normal yorkie and a star. Even between show dogs things like preparation of the top knot or the hair can make that difference.

YorkieRose · 07-04-2005, 03:56 PM

I love a pretty head also..but not doll face for the ring..of course different types are for different people. I do like your female very much..
Have you seen photo's of Rothby's Gator..or perhaps in person? Gator was a large Yorkie,in fact many judges faulted him on his size. He had the ideal head for me..refined terrier, short stop, medium muzzle, not too long to too short, not a pushed in baby face. I had a Gator son and he sired the most gorgeous heads..same face litter after litter.

07-03-2005, 05:04 PM	#1
ojanpera YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Snohomish, Washington Posts: 8	What makes a yorkie a Champion Yorkie? Hello, I'm new to the yorkie forum and I'm wondering exactly what makes a yorkie a champion. I mean what are his colors, weight, etc... How can I tell? Thanks for any help! Ojanpera

07-03-2005, 05:10 PM	#2
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	questions This question can not be answered by a post. He would need to be looked at by a judge or knowledgable breeder. Plus, they need show ring temperment...looking correct to the stndard is just one part...a big part, but still not the entire package. Also..pedigree is vital, few show pups are from a pet pedigree..not all show pedigrees produce show pups either.

07-03-2005, 06:16 PM	#4
Stitches29 My Little Magwad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,739	Have no idea, but I would say a BUNCH of BLUE RIBBONS is a good start. __________________ "My Furkids" Maggie, Molly and Meme...

07-03-2005, 06:27 PM	#6
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	Show dogs are born. If a puppy does not have the temperment, personality, and conformation no amount of training will make a champion. A puppy can have all of those things and still not be fit for the show ring.. There is so much that just comes from years of experience and it is not something that you can put into words. Just look at the post by Julz that said which puppy she had decided to keep from a litter. They just speak to us. That is one of the ways a show breeder/handler singles out that special puppy to groom for the ring.. All of that, proper pedigree and body lines makes for a start..One fault-say, improper ear size and set, slightly off bite and so on will keep a puppy/dog from the show ring but distracts nary a bit from their quality as a pet. That could explain why your ch. sired puppy is not being shown. It is very expensive and the breeder has to be 110% sure the pup is gonna make it to the top.. Last edited by whispersmom2; 07-03-2005 at 06:30 PM.

07-04-2005, 08:03 AM	#8
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	jwash Jwash...your clue might be the size. Too small is a big disavantage in some area of the country for show. I would not be interested in seriously showing a girl under 5 pounds..of course they can be shown at any size within the standard and win...but you put alot of time and money into a female who may not be a good breeding potential size-wise. I would show a small male.

07-03-2005, 05:37 PM	#3
jwash YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 723	I'm curious about this as well, only from the standpoint that my little Lacey was very expensive and has a champion sire but was not considered champion material. She's a beauty certainly worth the money because she has a lot of qualities I wanted, she's got a great face, flat backbone, short legs and I did not want a show dog, just a tiny yorkie. The breeder was completely honest with me but I still wonder how they know at the puppy stage which ones have potential and which ones do not.

07-03-2005, 06:18 PM	#5
blykmyk44 YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 388	is that you laur?

07-04-2005, 07:49 AM	#7
jwash YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 723	Thanks for the info, that makes a lot of sense. I appreciate it.

07-04-2005, 11:28 AM	#9
Simmy84 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live in the South of germany, in Bavaria Posts: 147	For me a dog which has got champion qualities looks like this: Confirm to the standard in nearly every point, that means for me doll face with good eye and ear setting, v-ears which are up, good expression( he or she should look like: I´m the most beautiful in here), black pigmentations, correct bite and teeth( for me that means I don´t mind if a premolar is missing but the yorkie must have 6/6), level top line both in stand and in move, straight for and hindquaters. Well tail set( not too deep). The hair has to be a heavy silk, straight and steelblue( not silver or black) on body. On head it should be a golden tan colour not too lite and it should be darker at muzzle and ears. The tail should be as straight as possible( because in Germany we arn´t allowed to cut them any longer). This is only the look of a good dog. But what is as much important as this is health and temperament. A good yorkie should be PL-free and shouldn´t have other illnesses( there are too much to mention it all) and a really good show dog loves the show training and the show itself, if not it doesn´t make much sense to show it. The movement should be flowing without loosing topline or style. Very important are good lines(with champions in it of course although this is no insurence for a show quality puppy) with dogs which were checked against illnesses. If possible you should watch out for other kids out of that lines and if they are from good quality. Size should be about 2,5 kg to 3 kg. To the second question. Yes a good breeder knows his lines and he also knows if a puppy has got show quality or not. Very often there are only very small differences between a normal yorkie and a star. Even between show dogs things like preparation of the top knot or the hair can make that difference.

07-04-2005, 03:56 PM	#10
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	standard I love a pretty head also..but not doll face for the ring..of course different types are for different people. I do like your female very much.. Have you seen photo's of Rothby's Gator..or perhaps in person? Gator was a large Yorkie,in fact many judges faulted him on his size. He had the ideal head for me..refined terrier, short stop, medium muzzle, not too long to too short, not a pushed in baby face. I had a Gator son and he sired the most gorgeous heads..same face litter after litter.