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ashley809 · 03-28-2007, 05:19 AM

I recently bought a female Yorkie from a breeder in Florida. She is adopting a baby and finding homes for her young females. Holly is the Yorkie that I got. She is imported from Brazil from somewhere called Lake Buena Vista Kennels. Anyways...I paid quite a bit for Holly in my opinion...$1500 plus shipping. I was willing to do so because she was already 6 months old which meant she was up to date on all of her shots which is several hundred dollars, registered which can cost $50-$100, and she was potty trained. I was told $1500 was a good deal from a dog from this Kennel. She does also have full registration if I ever want to breed her.

So I go to make an appointment at my vet and they call the vet the health certificate is from. They have no shot record on her. The breeder told me she was up to date and the info was on the certificate. ALSO...I get her papers in the mail and they are BRAZILIAN. And I so cannot read Portuguese. I have to pay $60 MORE to transfer them into my name and THEN mail them into AKC with a Foreign Registration Application which is $50 MORE! And now if she does not call me back and furnish vet records I will have to get her her whole vaccine series even if she did already have them.

The breeder states she did not send the Brazilian papers in to AKC yet because she is not old enough to breed and that she was about to when she found out the adoption is going through. But yet she advertised to me that she had "AKC Full Registration and up to date on shots." Granted she can be AKC registered but still now I have to deal with all of this mess.

My question is...do you guys think I have a right to be upset? I really want to call her and ask her for a refund of several hundred dollars for the things I was mislead about that were included in her price. I do not want to call and make a fool of myself so please let me know your opinions if this is me overreacting or if it is justified that I am upset!! Thanks in advance!

CO_yorkie_momma · 03-28-2007, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ashley809

I recently bought a female Yorkie from a breeder in Florida. She is adopting a baby and finding homes for her young females. Holly is the Yorkie that I got. She is imported from Brazil from somewhere called Lake Buena Vista Kennels. Anyways...I paid quite a bit for Holly in my opinion...$1500 plus shipping. I was willing to do so because she was already 6 months old which meant she was up to date on all of her shots which is several hundred dollars, registered which can cost $50-$100, and she was potty trained. I was told $1500 was a good deal from a dog from this Kennel. She does also have full registration if I ever want to breed her.

So I go to make an appointment at my vet and they call the vet the health certificate is from. They have no shot record on her. The breeder told me she was up to date and the info was on the certificate. ALSO...I get her papers in the mail and they are BRAZILIAN. And I so cannot read Portuguese. I have to pay $60 MORE to transfer them into my name and THEN mail them into AKC with a Foreign Registration Application which is $50 MORE! And now if she does not call me back and furnish vet records I will have to get her her whole vaccine series even if she did already have them.

The breeder states she did not send the Brazilian papers in to AKC yet because she is not old enough to breed and that she was about to when she found out the adoption is going through. But yet she advertised to me that she had "AKC Full Registration and up to date on shots." Granted she can be AKC registered but still now I have to deal with all of this mess.

My question is...do you guys think I have a right to be upset? I really want to call her and ask her for a refund of several hundred dollars for the things I was mislead about that were included in her price. I do not want to call and make a fool of myself so please let me know your opinions if this is me overreacting or if it is justified that I am upset!! Thanks in advance!

I do think you should be upset at this breeder for not telling you the truth and she should keep in contact with you and provide those vet records. That isnt right to deceive someone like that but I think you still got a good deal. I have a dog from Lake Buena Vista Kennel that cost over $3000.00 and their dogs usually run alot more than $1500.00. They have outstanding bloodlines and are worth the money to me. My opinion is if you got a dog from Lake Buena Vista Kennel for 1500.00, then you got a pretty good deal even if you have to put another couple hundred into it, you are still coming out in pretty good shape, especially if it is a female with full breeding rights. They are hard to come by. Who are the parents of your girl?

tiggerr36792 · 03-28-2007, 07:25 AM

You have every right to be upset. You were not given correct information. I can tell you that you got a great deal on your yorkie. Lake Buena Vista Kennel has some awsome puppies and alot of great Champion dogs!! Good luck with all the registration transfering I know it can be abit difficult.

YorkieRose · 03-28-2007, 07:30 AM

Yes, you have every right to be upset. It is the breeders/sellers responsibility to be ethical and honest in all points. Posters often say the buyer is the one who needs to do their "homework"..this is true to a point..but a buyer does not always know the "ins and outs" of papers, records etc..
You should have been told these things before the sale...and in the state of Florida all dogs must have seen a vet before the sale and a record of shots to be given the buyer..

As to the vet...if the breeder gave the shots, you might as well bite the bullet and get the shots redone..not good health-wise, but you are between a rock and hard place..many vets totally disregard breeder shots...

If this was my Yorkie, I would get a DHPP...wait 4 weeks and get a second..none after that..and if she will not provide proof of rabies, I would wait 12 months...no way I would double up on a rabies shot...Good Luck

Saleswman · 03-28-2007, 07:38 AM

You got a wonderful deal on this puppy, and with full registration too! That is saying a lot......it sounds like, she knows that you won't be able to breed her this early, so the issue was not "immediate" based on that. I dont think she is intentionally causing you grief. Of course I tend to be very understanding...maybe tooooooooo much...LOL

Personally, I think you really need a good relationship with this breeder, so sending a letter requesting several hundred dollars back may do more harm than good. It is a hassle, I agree, but sounds like you got a wonderful puppy from a well known kennel, for a very good price.

I would just chaulk it up as an "expense" and try to resolve it yourself. Or maybe a nice letter explaining your issues, and asking for help from her.

Good luck, sounds like you have been very fortunate to get this little puppy.

Regarding the shots.......YorkieRose is right on! YMHO

CO_yorkie_momma · 03-28-2007, 07:39 AM

I almost bet they had rabies already. They have to show proof that the puppies have their rabies shot before they will let them ship international or at least that was the case for me.

ashley809 · 03-28-2007, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I do think you should be upset at this breeder for not telling you the truth and she should keep in contact with you and provide those vet records. That isnt right to deceive someone like that but I think you still got a good deal. I have a dog from Lake Buena Vista Kennel that cost over $3000.00 and their dogs usually run alot more than $1500.00. They have outstanding bloodlines and are worth the money to me. My opinion is if you got a dog from Lake Buena Vista Kennel for 1500.00, then you got a pretty good deal even if you have to put another couple hundred into it, you are still coming out in pretty good shape, especially if it is a female with full breeding rights. They are hard to come by. Who are the parents of your girl?

Wow I did not realize they were that expensive! Thanks for your supportive workds! Her dad is Lake Buena Vista Nicky (sp?) and her mom is Minni Ivan Dog Ton Brasil <sp?> LOL

ashley809 · 03-28-2007, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Saleswman

You got a wonderful deal on this puppy, and with full registration too! That is saying a lot......it sounds like, she knows that you won't be able to breed her this early, so the issue was not "immediate" based on that. I dont think she is intentionally causing you grief. Of course I tend to be very understanding...maybe tooooooooo much...LOL

Personally, I think you really need a good relationship with this breeder, so sending a letter requesting several hundred dollars back may do more harm than good. It is a hassle, I agree, but sounds like you got a wonderful puppy from a well known kennel, for a very good price.

I would just chaulk it up as an "expense" and try to resolve it yourself. Or maybe a nice letter explaining your issues, and asking for help from her.

Good luck, sounds like you have been very fortunate to get this little puppy.

Regarding the shots.......YorkieRose is right on! YMHO

I do have a health certificate showing the rabies shot. I just do not have any of the other shots. When I called the vet listed...they said they do not have the records and that the breeder must have them. But you are right..atleast I have the rabies. I am usually not confrentational and it is not really the money that made me upset....moreso just the fact that she keeps brushing me off when I ask her questions and just acting like they are not important. Holly is my pet and i LOVE her to death and want to make sure she has her shots. I feel like she thinks I am crazy. She kept saying "She does not need them right now." Well thats great but when the heck does she? You know? LOL. Ahhh thanks for listening girls!

ashley809 · 03-28-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ashley809

Wow I did not realize they were that expensive! Thanks for your supportive workds! Her dad is Lake Buena Vista Nicky (sp?) and her mom is Minni Ivan Dog Ton Brasil <sp?> LOL

You know I already sent her paper in...but I think I did it backwards. Her mom may be Nicky and her dad my be the Ivan. I guess I wont know until I get the papers back LOL. I just wrote the names down. I do not know portuguese to know what means mom and what means dad LOL

Mardelin · 03-28-2007, 08:33 AM

Lake Buena Vista is well known as a puppy mill in Brazil.....yes, they do have Champion dogs. When they first started out they were very good, then got greedy and the almighty $$$ got in their way and will sell to anyone with the right amount of green in their hands.

Deal with this lady in a polite manner....anything that you can come to terms with is a plus.....

ashley809 · 03-28-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Lake Buena Vista is well known as a puppy mill in Brazil.....yes, they do have Champion dogs. When they first started out they were very good, then got greedy and the almighty $$$ got in their way and will sell to anyone with the right amount of green in their hands.

Deal with this lady in a polite manner....anything that you can come to terms with is a plus.....

I think the term "Puppy Mill" is used all too often. When I think puppy mill I think of a place with dirty and disgusting conditions. A place where people do not care about their dogs or give them proper care, shots, and nutrition. Just because a Kennel is selling more dogs than they did in the past does not necessarily make them a puppy mill in my opinion. It doesn't necessarily make them a good breeder...but puppy mill??

Mardelin · 03-28-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ashley809

I think the term "Puppy Mill" is used all too often. When I think puppy mill I think of a place with dirty and disgusting conditions. A place where people do not care about their dogs or give them proper care, shots, and nutrition. Just because a Kennel is selling more dogs than they did in the past does not necessarily make them a puppy mill in my opinion. It doesn't necessarily make them a good breeder...but puppy mill??

Being a show breeder I have been witness to what has been sold from this kennel.....not taken care of, horrible knees, mites, ear infections in horrible condition.....So, I do not speak without knowledge.

shyorkies · 03-28-2007, 10:38 AM

Was your girl purchased from a person by the name of Tatiana? I believe she lives in Florida and sells the LBV dogs here in the US.. I believe she is also the one who advertises the LBV dogs on a site called Puppyfind..

CO_yorkie_momma · 03-28-2007, 10:44 AM

The thing that sets them apart from being a "puppymill" in my opinion is even if they do sell alot of dogs and a few different breeds, they do show their dogs and make champions out of most of them. Most of their puppies come from champion sires and dams and the pedigrees are full of champions and international champions as well. I dont know of too many "puppymills" that do that. If they were just in it for the money I dont think they would take the time and the expense to make champions out of their dogs and buy such good quality dogs to use as breeding stock. I don't have first hand knowledge of the shape many of the puppies arrive in so I dont know about that part.

lisatodd · 03-28-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Being a show breeder I have been witness to what has been sold from this kennel.....not taken care of, horrible knees, mites, ear infections in horrible condition.....So, I do not speak without knowledge.

you are right mardelin...there have been post on here about the puppies from this place and none of them good.
i cannot remember where i read about them but they are not respected breeders....i believe there are many complaints about their kennel.

03-28-2007, 05:19 AM	#1
ashley809 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In my own little world!! Posts: 733	Question for Breeders I need your advice I recently bought a female Yorkie from a breeder in Florida. She is adopting a baby and finding homes for her young females. Holly is the Yorkie that I got. She is imported from Brazil from somewhere called Lake Buena Vista Kennels. Anyways...I paid quite a bit for Holly in my opinion...$1500 plus shipping. I was willing to do so because she was already 6 months old which meant she was up to date on all of her shots which is several hundred dollars, registered which can cost $50-$100, and she was potty trained. I was told $1500 was a good deal from a dog from this Kennel. She does also have full registration if I ever want to breed her. So I go to make an appointment at my vet and they call the vet the health certificate is from. They have no shot record on her. The breeder told me she was up to date and the info was on the certificate. ALSO...I get her papers in the mail and they are BRAZILIAN. And I so cannot read Portuguese. I have to pay $60 MORE to transfer them into my name and THEN mail them into AKC with a Foreign Registration Application which is $50 MORE! And now if she does not call me back and furnish vet records I will have to get her her whole vaccine series even if she did already have them. The breeder states she did not send the Brazilian papers in to AKC yet because she is not old enough to breed and that she was about to when she found out the adoption is going through. But yet she advertised to me that she had "AKC Full Registration and up to date on shots." Granted she can be AKC registered but still now I have to deal with all of this mess. My question is...do you guys think I have a right to be upset? I really want to call her and ask her for a refund of several hundred dollars for the things I was mislead about that were included in her price. I do not want to call and make a fool of myself so please let me know your opinions if this is me overreacting or if it is justified that I am upset!! Thanks in advance!

03-28-2007, 07:30 AM	#4
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pup Yes, you have every right to be upset. It is the breeders/sellers responsibility to be ethical and honest in all points. Posters often say the buyer is the one who needs to do their "homework"..this is true to a point..but a buyer does not always know the "ins and outs" of papers, records etc.. You should have been told these things before the sale...and in the state of Florida all dogs must have seen a vet before the sale and a record of shots to be given the buyer.. As to the vet...if the breeder gave the shots, you might as well bite the bullet and get the shots redone..not good health-wise, but you are between a rock and hard place..many vets totally disregard breeder shots... If this was my Yorkie, I would get a DHPP...wait 4 weeks and get a second..none after that..and if she will not provide proof of rabies, I would wait 12 months...no way I would double up on a rabies shot...Good Luck

03-28-2007, 07:38 AM	#5
Saleswman Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,643	A deal You got a wonderful deal on this puppy, and with full registration too! That is saying a lot......it sounds like, she knows that you won't be able to breed her this early, so the issue was not "immediate" based on that. I dont think she is intentionally causing you grief. Of course I tend to be very understanding...maybe tooooooooo much...LOL Personally, I think you really need a good relationship with this breeder, so sending a letter requesting several hundred dollars back may do more harm than good. It is a hassle, I agree, but sounds like you got a wonderful puppy from a well known kennel, for a very good price. I would just chaulk it up as an "expense" and try to resolve it yourself. Or maybe a nice letter explaining your issues, and asking for help from her. Good luck, sounds like you have been very fortunate to get this little puppy. Regarding the shots.......YorkieRose is right on! YMHO Last edited by Saleswman; 03-28-2007 at 07:40 AM.

03-28-2007, 08:33 AM	#10
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	Lake Buena Vista is well known as a puppy mill in Brazil.....yes, they do have Champion dogs. When they first started out they were very good, then got greedy and the almighty $$$ got in their way and will sell to anyone with the right amount of green in their hands. Deal with this lady in a polite manner....anything that you can come to terms with is a plus..... __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers* Last edited by Mardelin; 03-28-2007 at 08:35 AM.

03-28-2007, 10:38 AM	#13
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	Was your girl purchased from a person by the name of Tatiana? I believe she lives in Florida and sells the LBV dogs here in the US.. I believe she is also the one who advertises the LBV dogs on a site called Puppyfind.. __________________ Melanie~

03-28-2007, 07:25 AM	#3
tiggerr36792 BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: California Posts: 6,685 Blog Entries: 1	You have every right to be upset. You were not given correct information. I can tell you that you got a great deal on your yorkie. Lake Buena Vista Kennel has some awsome puppies and alot of great Champion dogs!! Good luck with all the registration transfering I know it can be abit difficult.

03-28-2007, 07:39 AM	#6
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	I almost bet they had rabies already. They have to show proof that the puppies have their rabies shot before they will let them ship international or at least that was the case for me.

03-28-2007, 10:44 AM	#14
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	The thing that sets them apart from being a "puppymill" in my opinion is even if they do sell alot of dogs and a few different breeds, they do show their dogs and make champions out of most of them. Most of their puppies come from champion sires and dams and the pedigrees are full of champions and international champions as well. I dont know of too many "puppymills" that do that. If they were just in it for the money I dont think they would take the time and the expense to make champions out of their dogs and buy such good quality dogs to use as breeding stock. I don't have first hand knowledge of the shape many of the puppies arrive in so I dont know about that part.