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katie'smom · 01-06-2007, 05:32 AM

Katie had 4 girls yesterday morning. The last and smallest puppy had problems. Around the cord area there was extra tissue which I guess may have been intestine or some other organs? Could not get it to latch on and it cried the whole time. Anyway, I took it to the vet which said it was not going to make it. Long story short, I was very upset....and cried all the way home....Katie seemed to be upset too and is now guarding the other 3 diligently! So, this morning as I am checking on them one of the puppies (the largest) has milk/mucus around the nose and sounding kind of rattly? I'm thinking this one might have cleft pallete? Oh how bad is this? I am going to call my vet and see what they say. I just dont want to lose another one! She is eating so I know she can, but isn't that bad that it's coming out the nose? Please help with some advice I'm sure some of you have dealt with this before.

lisatodd · 01-06-2007, 05:53 AM

i hope you get your answers soon. congrats on the babies and i will pray for the little one

jencar98 · 01-06-2007, 06:05 AM

This link is to another thread about a cleft palate yorkie. Hope it will hep til a breeder gets oline and can answer your questions.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...t=cleft+palate

CardsGrl · 01-06-2007, 06:12 AM

did u try to look in its mouth to see if it has cleft , it may just be nothing at all, try to take the bulb syringe and such out its mouth and nose too that might help, hope everything turns out ok, btw if its sleft u might be able to see it when u look in mouth on roof of mouth hun,gl tc and keep us posted

Saleswman · 01-06-2007, 06:13 AM

Not sure if the "experienced" breeders are still in bed.......maybe tending to puppuies...

Saleswman · 01-06-2007, 06:21 AM

Not sure if the "experienced" breeders are still in bed.......maybe tending to puppies...

Maybe soon.....

oops....sorry for the replication

JeanieK · 01-06-2007, 06:28 AM

I hope it's nothing and the little guy does OK for you. Sorry you had to lose the one little guy.

yorkiegirl2 · 01-06-2007, 06:35 AM

Sometimes puppies are born that can't suckle properly, and it's almost alway's because they have a cleft palate. A cleft palate can be a complete division up the middle of the palate, or roof of the mouth, or it can just be a small hole in the palate.

Canine cleft palate is a failure of the two sides of the palate to fuse correctly during the embryonic stage of developement. It can just be the soft tissue, in which case it only presents as a cosmetic malformation, but if the hard palate is affected, it inevitably spells doom for the new born pup. A cleft pale in dogs can be either a genetic defect, or due to something occuring during the developement of the embryo. Surgical correction of cleft palate

All puppies should be examined for a cleft palate as early as possible, by opening the jaws and looking at the roof of the mouth. If the breed is very small, it may be necessary to get your Vet to check for you.

It is possible to correct a cleft palate surgically, however the pup must be old enough to undergo an anaesthetic, so in the early stages of it's life the puppy will need hand feeding with a stomach tube.

Cleft palate of the outer soft tissue, sometimes called canine hare lip, can repaired surgically at about six months of age. Small holes in the roof of the mouth can self correct as the pup grows older, but may also be corrected surgically if so desired.

katie'smom · 01-06-2007, 07:15 AM

Thanks so much for the info! Do you think it can be very bad if she is sucking so well? She is gaining weight and eating...just getting the fluid after she eats, I'm worried that it can get in her lungs? What should i be doing? Can't get ahold of the vet, naturally...I'm waiting for a call back. I have tried looking but Katie has such a fit when I handle her. She is being VERY protective since the other puppy is gone. Do you think I should take her out and try to do it while she is outside? She only wants to go out long enough to pee and come straight back. I don't want to stress her out too much but we have to find out the problem.

Sugar's Mom · 01-06-2007, 07:24 AM

did you suction her out when she was born? if you have a bulb syringe like for a baby, take that and suction her mouth and nose out good. then put her backon to nurse and see if she has any more. i hope your vet calls soon. Did you check her mouth to see if it is a cleft palette?

yorkiegirl2 · 01-06-2007, 07:24 AM

If there is a hole it maybe very small and you may not be able to see it.
Just keep the fluids suction out of the nose-mouth after the pup eats ..
until you can get into the Vet to find out whats going on.
Wishing you and your pup the best.

yorkiegirl2 · 01-06-2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

did you suction her out when she was born? if you have a bulb syringe like for a baby, take that and suction her mouth and nose out good. then put her backon to nurse and see if she has any more. i hope your vet calls soon. Did you check her mouth to see if it is a cleft palette?

Sugar's Mom didn't you have a problem with this a while back, and thought it might have been from using Flea Meds while pregnant??

Sugar's Mom · 01-06-2007, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Sugar's Mom didn't you have a problem with this a while back, and thought it might have been from using Flea Meds while pregnant??

No, I haven't ever had fluid coming out of the nose and mouth. i did have a dead, deformed baby when Silk had hers and I strongly suspect it was from flea medicine the vet told me to use but he denies it. My babies have all been born healthy except that one. Good luck.

YorkieRose · 01-06-2007, 07:34 AM

It is always best for the dam and pups to be seen by the vet within 24 hrs..mom needs a oxyie shot and the vet can check for clefts...pups can sound raspy, milk can get around the mouth and look like it is in the nose..but if you actually see milk coming out of the nose, it is time for a look/see at the vet...rarely do the big, fat ones have a cleft..it tends to be the wee, puny ones...

yorkiegirl2 · 01-06-2007, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

No, I haven't ever had fluid coming out of the nose and mouth. i did have a dead, deformed baby when Silk had hers and I strongly suspect it was from flea medicine the vet told me to use but he denies it. My babies have all been born healthy except that one. Good luck.

Oh..Ok I knew there was something.
I am not using anything but the heartworm meds on my 2 pregnant girls.
And I used it after the foetuses were fully developed.

01-06-2007, 05:32 AM	#1
katie'smom Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 162	Need advice! Any breeders online? Katie had 4 girls yesterday morning. The last and smallest puppy had problems. Around the cord area there was extra tissue which I guess may have been intestine or some other organs? Could not get it to latch on and it cried the whole time. Anyway, I took it to the vet which said it was not going to make it. Long story short, I was very upset....and cried all the way home....Katie seemed to be upset too and is now guarding the other 3 diligently! So, this morning as I am checking on them one of the puppies (the largest) has milk/mucus around the nose and sounding kind of rattly? I'm thinking this one might have cleft pallete? Oh how bad is this? I am going to call my vet and see what they say. I just dont want to lose another one! She is eating so I know she can, but isn't that bad that it's coming out the nose? Please help with some advice I'm sure some of you have dealt with this before. __________________ Katie , Max and Mommy and the new baby Missy

01-06-2007, 05:53 AM	#2
lisatodd Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va Posts: 4,460	i hope you get your answers soon. congrats on the babies and i will pray for the little one __________________ lisa lisa and the cult jam yorkies

01-06-2007, 06:05 AM	#3
jencar98 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 6,435 Blog Entries: 3	This link is to another thread about a cleft palate yorkie. Hope it will hep til a breeder gets oline and can answer your questions. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...t=cleft+palate __________________ ~Ruby, Reno, Razz, & Jack~

01-06-2007, 06:12 AM	#4
CardsGrl Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Southern, Illinois Posts: 416	did u try to look in its mouth to see if it has cleft , it may just be nothing at all, try to take the bulb syringe and such out its mouth and nose too that might help, hope everything turns out ok, btw if its sleft u might be able to see it when u look in mouth on roof of mouth hun,gl tc and keep us posted __________________ Cindy

01-06-2007, 06:13 AM	#5
Saleswman Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,643	Hang in there Not sure if the "experienced" breeders are still in bed.......maybe tending to puppuies...

01-06-2007, 06:21 AM	#6
Saleswman Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,643	Hang in there Not sure if the "experienced" breeders are still in bed.......maybe tending to puppies... Maybe soon..... oops....sorry for the replication

01-06-2007, 06:28 AM	#7
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	I hope it's nothing and the little guy does OK for you. Sorry you had to lose the one little guy.

01-06-2007, 06:35 AM	#8
yorkiegirl2 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,394	Sometimes puppies are born that can't suckle properly, and it's almost alway's because they have a cleft palate. A cleft palate can be a complete division up the middle of the palate, or roof of the mouth, or it can just be a small hole in the palate. Canine cleft palate is a failure of the two sides of the palate to fuse correctly during the embryonic stage of developement. It can just be the soft tissue, in which case it only presents as a cosmetic malformation, but if the hard palate is affected, it inevitably spells doom for the new born pup. A cleft pale in dogs can be either a genetic defect, or due to something occuring during the developement of the embryo. Surgical correction of cleft palate All puppies should be examined for a cleft palate as early as possible, by opening the jaws and looking at the roof of the mouth. If the breed is very small, it may be necessary to get your Vet to check for you. It is possible to correct a cleft palate surgically, however the pup must be old enough to undergo an anaesthetic, so in the early stages of it's life the puppy will need hand feeding with a stomach tube. Cleft palate of the outer soft tissue, sometimes called canine hare lip, can repaired surgically at about six months of age. Small holes in the roof of the mouth can self correct as the pup grows older, but may also be corrected surgically if so desired.

01-06-2007, 07:15 AM	#9
katie'smom Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 162	Thanks so much for the info! Do you think it can be very bad if she is sucking so well? She is gaining weight and eating...just getting the fluid after she eats, I'm worried that it can get in her lungs? What should i be doing? Can't get ahold of the vet, naturally...I'm waiting for a call back. I have tried looking but Katie has such a fit when I handle her. She is being VERY protective since the other puppy is gone. Do you think I should take her out and try to do it while she is outside? She only wants to go out long enough to pee and come straight back. I don't want to stress her out too much but we have to find out the problem. __________________ Katie , Max and Mommy and the new baby Missy

01-06-2007, 07:24 AM	#10
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	did you suction her out when she was born? if you have a bulb syringe like for a baby, take that and suction her mouth and nose out good. then put her backon to nurse and see if she has any more. i hope your vet calls soon. Did you check her mouth to see if it is a cleft palette?

01-06-2007, 07:34 AM	#14
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pups It is always best for the dam and pups to be seen by the vet within 24 hrs..mom needs a oxyie shot and the vet can check for clefts...pups can sound raspy, milk can get around the mouth and look like it is in the nose..but if you actually see milk coming out of the nose, it is time for a look/see at the vet...rarely do the big, fat ones have a cleft..it tends to be the wee, puny ones...