Ckc Vs. Akc - YorkieTalk.com Forums

mojo · 03-24-2005, 06:13 PM

I own a 5 1/2 pound female yorkie who is akc registered. I have been researching/studying breeding and I have found a tiny male but he is ckc registered - I do not believe that is canadian kennel club.
I know absolutely nothing about ckc. So my question is if I bred this dog to my dog does it decrease the value of the puppies?? Does it really matter if it akc or ckc?
I appreciate your advice. thank you!

ttreatsyorkies · 03-24-2005, 08:22 PM

It does matter if they are CKC or AKC. AKC does not recognize CKC in the pups so they will be unregisterable. I found out the same info a year ago when I was looking for a male. CKC has no big restrictions on their breeding so you can run into a larger dog in the genes. Their dogs can be up to 15 lbs. Cross breeding is not regulated neither. That means that grandpa and granddaughter can breed. AKC toy yorkie should not be over 7 lbs,anything over that is not considered show quality, some AKC yorkies go up to 9-10lbs and are still considered AKC, anything over that and they are probably eating to much, or their is a larger pup some where in the line. The nice thing about AKC is that yo can go back in the lines and find out that kind of stuff. You would be better off getting AKC. Good Luck

PinkMartini · 03-24-2005, 09:09 PM

IMO, AKC is the only way to go. I personally would never buy a CKC registered dog, and no one I know would either. I guess if you're just breeding for pet quality pups, it doesn't matter, but you gotta think about what people are going to want as well. Good luck

mojo · 03-24-2005, 09:12 PM

I guess that is why the puppy is so inexpensive.

I dont know what IMO means, please explain.

thanks all for your input.

PinkMartini · 03-24-2005, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mojo

I dont know what IMO means, please explain.

Oops, sorry. IMO = In my opinion

lovefor3yorkies · 03-24-2005, 11:16 PM

WRONG----AKC recognizes the Canadian Kennel Club but not Contenental Kennel Club--both CKC. So a canadian would transfer but the other doesn't. AKC is superior. IMO. Easy pedigree searches. Don't except mixed breeds and don't register just anything. KNOW THIS THOUGH--registry does not gaurantee health or quality--that's your job......BUT I'd put my money on AKC before any other.

Carters Mom · 03-28-2005, 06:22 PM

If someone sold you a pup under the pretense of AKC registerability and then only offered CKC registration, what would your reaction and/or recourse be?

Breeder claims that CKC does not devalue her pups.

junebug0018 · 03-28-2005, 06:29 PM

the ckc doesn't depreciate the value where i live they all cost the same if they are akc or ckc....

PinkMartini · 03-28-2005, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carters Mom

If someone sold you a pup under the pretense of AKC registerability and then only offered CKC registration, what would your reaction and/or recourse be?

I would return the pup. If that wasn't an option, I would find out if any legal action could be taken.

Carters Mom · 03-28-2005, 07:23 PM

Returning isn't an option - he's been here since Christmas. I'm going to seek legal advice but don't know how much good that will do. I will be checking with the local authorities in her town to file a complaint and will possibly file a small claims suit.

Just to give info . . . she is on "referral" with AKC and isn't suspended yet. She is saying that AKC is too political and she is pulling out and going CKC. This stems from a pedigree issue that actually happened 2 years ago with a multi-siring or DNA issue and has nothing to do with my pup, however, because she went under referral before the date I purchased my pup, AKC will not register him. She provided me with a preprinted litter registration form for my AKC registration and it is being held in abeyance pending her inquiry. UGHHHH

I've sent a letter of remedy to the breeder and she has not responded.

luvdorkyyorkies · 03-28-2005, 07:47 PM

I have to disagree with the size statement mentioned earlier. Ckc yorkies are no bigger then AKC yorkies. The smallest dog I own is CKC and the largest is AKC at 10 lbs. AKC registers dogs if they are inbred......they do not deny registry so that statement is not true either.
Truthfully registry hasnt effected me but Im not raising showdogs but I do try to improve lines. AKC is without a doubt a better registry but a couple of my nicer females are ckc only. Gorgeous silky coats, nice ears, very smart and smaller.
My advice to you is to get a AKC male though.

Olivier · 03-28-2005, 07:48 PM

I went to an American breeder place to have one of my friends Yorkie girl bred to her Ch . My friend never have had a problem with the Canadian Kennel
Club for the registration of the puppies .

What is the Continental Kennel Club ?

luvdorkyyorkies · 03-28-2005, 08:04 PM

http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/?404fromckcusa

Its a club which is not as strict and they will register mixed dogs, such as yorkiepoos, morkies, corkies etc.

ttreatsyorkies · 03-28-2005, 08:32 PM

As I had stated in my previous posting that is what I was told a year ago by a AKC representative. I was told that AKC would not register an CKC puppy,even though the parent was AKC and CKC registered. The breeders in this area don't want to deal with the political stuff AKC requires and all of the fees, so they have turned to CKC. The majority of the pups are larger than the AKC, that might also stem from they were not raised to be show. There are also large AKC, I never stated that there were not. Someone was asking what to buy I only told them what I have been told by AKC directly. As far as cross breeding goes I was also told that you can breed relatives that were further apart on the family tree, not dad-daughter,grandpa-granddaughter, but to breed cousins. This would reduce the risks of deformities. The thinner the blood relation the better off the line will be. I have personally seen what inbreeding close blood lines can do and it is horrible. I did not post to argue just as everyone has stated what they know, I have done likewise, it doesn't mean that anyone was wrong. THere is a difference in the two organizations, otherwise there wouldn't be so much concern over it.

Carters Mom · 03-28-2005, 08:47 PM

What turns me off is their loophole that allows dogs over 6 months to be registered without proof of pedigree. Seems like it would be way too easy to have two witnesses and 3 photos to gain entry into the registry.

Since I was promised AKC, I don't like being lied to . . . maybe not an outright lie but the truth was definitely withheld. My pup is now almost 9 months old and we've had him for 3 months. Time to get closure on this issue for me.

03-24-2005, 06:13 PM	#1
mojo Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Here, there Posts: 2,693	Ckc Vs. Akc I own a 5 1/2 pound female yorkie who is akc registered. I have been researching/studying breeding and I have found a tiny male but he is ckc registered - I do not believe that is canadian kennel club. I know absolutely nothing about ckc. So my question is if I bred this dog to my dog does it decrease the value of the puppies?? Does it really matter if it akc or ckc? I appreciate your advice. thank you!

03-28-2005, 06:22 PM	#7
Carters Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA Posts: 1,568	If someone sold you a pup under the pretense of AKC registerability and then only offered CKC registration, what would your reaction and/or recourse be? Breeder claims that CKC does not devalue her pups. __________________ Lisa Proud Marine Mom Carter, Cooper & Crissy's Mom and Sebastian's Nana Never underestimate the warmth of a cold nose!

03-28-2005, 07:23 PM	#10
Carters Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA Posts: 1,568	Returning isn't an option - he's been here since Christmas. I'm going to seek legal advice but don't know how much good that will do. I will be checking with the local authorities in her town to file a complaint and will possibly file a small claims suit. Just to give info . . . she is on "referral" with AKC and isn't suspended yet. She is saying that AKC is too political and she is pulling out and going CKC. This stems from a pedigree issue that actually happened 2 years ago with a multi-siring or DNA issue and has nothing to do with my pup, however, because she went under referral before the date I purchased my pup, AKC will not register him. She provided me with a preprinted litter registration form for my AKC registration and it is being held in abeyance pending her inquiry. UGHHHH I've sent a letter of remedy to the breeder and she has not responded. __________________ Lisa Proud Marine Mom Carter, Cooper & Crissy's Mom and Sebastian's Nana Never underestimate the warmth of a cold nose!

03-28-2005, 08:47 PM	#15
Carters Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA Posts: 1,568	What turns me off is their loophole that allows dogs over 6 months to be registered without proof of pedigree. Seems like it would be way too easy to have two witnesses and 3 photos to gain entry into the registry. Since I was promised AKC, I don't like being lied to . . . maybe not an outright lie but the truth was definitely withheld. My pup is now almost 9 months old and we've had him for 3 months. Time to get closure on this issue for me. __________________ Lisa Proud Marine Mom Carter, Cooper & Crissy's Mom and Sebastian's Nana Never underestimate the warmth of a cold nose!

03-24-2005, 08:22 PM	#2
ttreatsyorkies YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Frisco TX Posts: 430	It does matter if they are CKC or AKC. AKC does not recognize CKC in the pups so they will be unregisterable. I found out the same info a year ago when I was looking for a male. CKC has no big restrictions on their breeding so you can run into a larger dog in the genes. Their dogs can be up to 15 lbs. Cross breeding is not regulated neither. That means that grandpa and granddaughter can breed. AKC toy yorkie should not be over 7 lbs,anything over that is not considered show quality, some AKC yorkies go up to 9-10lbs and are still considered AKC, anything over that and they are probably eating to much, or their is a larger pup some where in the line. The nice thing about AKC is that yo can go back in the lines and find out that kind of stuff. You would be better off getting AKC. Good Luck

03-24-2005, 09:09 PM	#3
PinkMartini BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Posts: 1,043	IMO, AKC is the only way to go. I personally would never buy a CKC registered dog, and no one I know would either. I guess if you're just breeding for pet quality pups, it doesn't matter, but you gotta think about what people are going to want as well. Good luck

03-24-2005, 09:12 PM	#4
mojo Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Here, there Posts: 2,693	I guess that is why the puppy is so inexpensive. I dont know what IMO means, please explain. thanks all for your input.

03-24-2005, 11:16 PM	#6
lovefor3yorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Graniteville, SC Posts: 206	WRONG----AKC recognizes the Canadian Kennel Club but not Contenental Kennel Club--both CKC. So a canadian would transfer but the other doesn't. AKC is superior. IMO. Easy pedigree searches. Don't except mixed breeds and don't register just anything. KNOW THIS THOUGH--registry does not gaurantee health or quality--that's your job......BUT I'd put my money on AKC before any other.

03-28-2005, 06:29 PM	#8
junebug0018 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 64	the ckc doesn't depreciate the value where i live they all cost the same if they are akc or ckc....

03-28-2005, 07:47 PM	#11
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	I have to disagree with the size statement mentioned earlier. Ckc yorkies are no bigger then AKC yorkies. The smallest dog I own is CKC and the largest is AKC at 10 lbs. AKC registers dogs if they are inbred......they do not deny registry so that statement is not true either. Truthfully registry hasnt effected me but Im not raising showdogs but I do try to improve lines. AKC is without a doubt a better registry but a couple of my nicer females are ckc only. Gorgeous silky coats, nice ears, very smart and smaller. My advice to you is to get a AKC male though.

03-28-2005, 07:48 PM	#12
Olivier Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,999	I went to an American breeder place to have one of my friends Yorkie girl bred to her Ch . My friend never have had a problem with the Canadian Kennel Club for the registration of the puppies . What is the Continental Kennel Club ?

03-28-2005, 08:04 PM	#13
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/?404fromckcusa Its a club which is not as strict and they will register mixed dogs, such as yorkiepoos, morkies, corkies etc.

03-28-2005, 08:32 PM	#14
ttreatsyorkies YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Frisco TX Posts: 430	As I had stated in my previous posting that is what I was told a year ago by a AKC representative. I was told that AKC would not register an CKC puppy,even though the parent was AKC and CKC registered. The breeders in this area don't want to deal with the political stuff AKC requires and all of the fees, so they have turned to CKC. The majority of the pups are larger than the AKC, that might also stem from they were not raised to be show. There are also large AKC, I never stated that there were not. Someone was asking what to buy I only told them what I have been told by AKC directly. As far as cross breeding goes I was also told that you can breed relatives that were further apart on the family tree, not dad-daughter,grandpa-granddaughter, but to breed cousins. This would reduce the risks of deformities. The thinner the blood relation the better off the line will be. I have personally seen what inbreeding close blood lines can do and it is horrible. I did not post to argue just as everyone has stated what they know, I have done likewise, it doesn't mean that anyone was wrong. THere is a difference in the two organizations, otherwise there wouldn't be so much concern over it.