Stud owners responsibility? Lets talk

[gemy]

I have seen at some times what ppl here refer to as the stud owners responsibility.

And I'd like to discuss your thoughts on this, as breeders who may have only females, and or have males and may stud out your males.

Traditionally my understanding (although nothing is written in stone anywhere), I do the health tests on my male, may even provide sperm analysis for the interested owner of the dam. I have championed my dog, trained him, and done all I can right by him. I will (actually I must and would insist on being present for a breeding). I also will demand from the female the self same health tests and to be a Championed female.

Alright the litter is born. What do you think are your responsibilities as a stud owner if that litter comes up with future health problems?

What are your responsibilities if 5 yrs down the road your stud is diagnosed with a serious health problem? To the owner of the dam? To the puppy buyers? Of course you would not necessarily know who those puppy buyers are.


Historically the onus has been basically 100% on the bitches owner. What-ever the problem might be.

There are lots of reality here. As a stud owner you have no control over the puppy rearing, or the health care of the dam and pups. In fact you have no input into it ..usually.

For some genetic problems that is a moot point; for others not so much. For temperament of the pups you betcha.

So here I am not talking legally, but morally and ethically, as a stud owner what do you think your responsibilities are?

As the owner of a bitch and breeder, what do you actually look to the stud owner for?

[Yorkiemom1]

I saw this Gail, and I just came back over it, with still no responses...I am useless, as I have never and do not ever plan to stud out one of my babies. I had initially thought about it and my mentor, who we must remember is very NO NONSENSE, actually rather BRUTAL, but knows her stuff better than anyone I have ever crossed, told me forget it....toooo much trouble for me to get into! I just didnt want you to think you were being ignored....but I have absolutely no knowledge about what precautions or responsibilities you will have. I remember from her lecture, it can get very complicated, and you need very detailed contracts, spelling out everything that could come up.....

[yorkiemini]

Certainly gives an added perspective!
I am always interested in the breeders section, although I never plan to breed. I do think the knowledge is helpful when making decisions on choosing a breeder and what questions to ask and be concerned about.
Thanks!

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I saw this Gail, and I just came back over it, with still no responses...I am useless, as I have never and do not ever plan to stud out one of my babies. I had initially thought about it and my mentor, who we must remember is very NO NONSENSE, actually rather BRUTAL, but knows her stuff better than anyone I have ever crossed, told me forget it....toooo much trouble for me to get into! I just didnt want you to think you were being ignored....but I have absolutely no knowledge about what precautions or responsibilities you will have. I remember from her lecture, it can get very complicated, and you need very detailed contracts, spelling out everything that could come up.....

Well as you know I have a few mentors. Two for the BRT breed and one for the YT breed.

One mentor does use studs for outcrossings and breedings, two do not.

The two that don't won't even stud out their males, unless it would be to a female of mine.... I know that is a big trust, and I appreciate that; truly I do.

Okay here is my two cents worth, for what it is worth; and yes I have acutally actioned this.

I believe the owners of the sire and dam, have equal responsibility to try to insure a great genetic match, as well as striving to improve the breed with your breeding. That is at the selection point. This dam to this sire.

For the sire, I believe it is incumbent upon the owner to keep in the loop any health problems that may come up years down the road with the sire. First to the breeder of the dam; but I would also like to say that any puppies of that mating, their ownership details should be given to the sire's owner. IN this way the sire's owner, can communicate directly if there is some delayed on-set problem with the sire.

But that is somewhat stepping on the toes of the "breeder"; at least that is what I think.

Any shared responsibility for genetic defects can get quite complicated to sort out ahead of time; especially the recessive thought to be also polygenetic defects.

In many ways it is simpler to leave the onus of all health and other things onto the dam's breeder. It is the way it has been done for eons of time.

But is there a fairer way, to distribute responsibility?

Emotionally and ethically for some situations as the sires owner, I do feel responsible. Not all but some. For example; one thing I don't feel responsible for is temperament. If I mate a great temperament male to a great temperament female, then if a puppy presents with problems...no not in that case, as I have no control over the early rearing environment, no control over who gets to own one of these pups etc.

If the dam's owner was un-able to take back a puppy for health reasons, I do feel responsible to take back what is in essence my progeny, and insure a great re-homing place.

This thread was more of a think piece. A sharing of thoughts if you will.