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wiki · 05-23-2010, 02:43 PM

We have a new male purebred Yorkshire Terrier that we inherited. He is 4 years old and still has his testicles. We would like to breed him. We have his record papers, but he has not been registered with the AKC. We were able to get in touch with the breeder and were told that he is not supposed to be bred (as stated in verbal agreement with original purchaser). In the paperwork there is a field for designating whether or not it's OK to breed him, but it is not blacked out to indicate that he is not supposed to be bred. In other words, there is no documentation that confirms the breeders claim.

As new owners we would like to breed him, but have no idea how to proceed. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to properly move forward with breeding him, given the aforementioned situation.

Thanks for your help!

Lizzie07 · 05-23-2010, 03:39 PM

Why do you want to breed him? What do you know about his pedigree and the health of the dogs in said pedigree? This is a breed with a LOT of health problems and that is exacerbated by the fact that people are breeding YTs without knowing what is behind the dog. Are all the dogs in your dog's pedigree healthy? How is his temperament, his confirmation? What health tests should be done before breeding? Should he be CERF'd, OFA? What about the bitch you are going to breed him to? There are a lot of people on this list who have had to care for dogs with serious genetic problems, and have had their hearts broken for the pain the dog has to suffer. An AKC registration does not insure the dog was well bred, I am sorry to say. Look at all the puppies coming from puppymills with AKC registrations. There might be a reason the breeder doesn't want the dog bred.

Dixies Mom · 05-23-2010, 03:41 PM

You are probably not going to like what I have to say however, you have ask for advice. The fact that the breeder has colored in the box with the numbers indicating full registration (meaning limited registration aka no breeding rights) you spoke with the breeder and are informed of their wishes and intentions, you should honor them and not bred the male.

BamaFan121s · 05-23-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wiki

In other words, there is no documentation that confirms the breeders claim.

The breeder's word should be all the documentation you need. From an ethics standpoint, this shouldn't even be up for debate.
Hopefully this will be a lesson learned to the breeder and he/she will take the appropriate precautions so that they will not have to deal with this in the future.

yorkielady06 · 05-23-2010, 03:47 PM

Why do you want to breed him?
He was sold as a pet by the breeder, correct? Breeders usually have contracts written and signed by the original owners that state the dog will be spayed or neutered. They do this for dogs that are of pet quality. Your inherited dog should be neutered as the breeder wishes in my opinion.
Do you realize that once a male is studded out he marks. An intact male dogs urine sprayed in the house is very strong and most cleaners do not get it out. Not to mention before you were to breed this guy you need to have his hips, elbows and knees xrayed. Eyes done with CERF, Bile acid test, brucellosis test. All these must be clean and clear prior to breeding to ensure the health of the babies and female you breed with. Also the female should be tested for all that also. Plus you need to be willing to stand behind each puppy that your male sires. Big responsibilities that you are wanting to undertake. I hope you do your homework first.

tammy8833 · 05-23-2010, 03:56 PM

ok if im reading it right..its says he is NOT akc so therefore you seen nothing proving or backing up the breeders claim that he is not allowed to be bred?

if thats right

he is probably registered with another group..ckc, apri..etc.. these groups do not list restrictions they do not monitor breeding ethics

BUT if the breeder told you DO NOT BREED THIS DOG..there is a reason for that..could be genetics are bad and you wouldn't want to reproduce a litter of genetically disturbed puppies that you would be financially responsible for would you?

there are reasons why a breeder who specifically tell you no and to do it anyways is just immature..sorry

what is your purpose for breeding him?...

if you ask anyone on here im pretty laid back on alot of things and bump heads about fussing at people on here...but this seems common sense...

"sniff sniff" could it be a troll?

maryeverett1 · 05-23-2010, 04:10 PM

What is a troll?? Agreed with everything everyone has said so far. If the breeder has indicated their wishes on the matter that should be honored. Just wondering what a troll is because I haven't ever heard that term used before! Thanks for explaining!

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Originally Posted by tammy8833

ok if im reading it right..its says he is NOT akc so therefore you seen nothing proving or backing up the breeders claim that he is not allowed to be bred?

if thats right

he is probably registered with another group..ckc, apri..etc.. these groups do not list restrictions they do not monitor breeding ethics

BUT if the breeder told you DO NOT BREED THIS DOG..there is a reason for that..could be genetics are bad and you wouldn't want to reproduce a litter of genetically disturbed puppies that you would be financially responsible for would you?

there are reasons why a breeder who specifically tell you no and to do it anyways is just immature..sorry

what is your purpose for breeding him?...

if you ask anyone on here im pretty laid back on alot of things and bump heads about fussing at people on here...but this seems common sense...

"sniff sniff" could it be a troll?

tjdmom · 05-23-2010, 04:13 PM

If I read your post correctly, he is AKC but the original owner never sent in the paperwork to register him and now you have inherited him along with his papers. You just need to send them in (i think there's a late fee as it's been so long) and the breeder neglected to fill in the box so he has a full registration. Am I correct? First of all, what are your reasons for wanting to breed him? If the original breeder intended to sell him with a limited registration, i would assume they feel that he is not up to standard? If that is the case, I'm not sure why you want to breed him and not sure who would be willing to pay stud fees.

builder48 · 05-23-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wiki

We have a new male purebred Yorkshire Terrier that we inherited. He is 4 years old and still has his testicles. We would like to breed him. We have his record papers, but he has not been registered with the AKC. We were able to get in touch with the breeder and were told that he is not supposed to be bred (as stated in verbal agreement with original purchaser). In the paperwork there is a field for designating whether or not it's OK to breed him, but it is not blacked out to indicate that he is not supposed to be bred. In other words, there is no documentation that confirms the breeders claim.

As new owners we would like to breed him, but have no idea how to proceed. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to properly move forward with breeding him, given the aforementioned situation.

Thanks for your help!

Morals, Honesty, Integrity, are most often exhibited when one is sure beyond a shadow of a doubt, (like the breeder TELLING you NOT to breed this dog) and even though a paper mistake was made one does the right thing, and honors the legitimate request.

In my humble opinion, if you choose to breed this dog it will just be the first of many corners you will cut, all of which in the big picture will be detrimental to the breed.

Please do the right thing, and DO NOT BREED THIS DOG.

wiki · 05-23-2010, 04:28 PM

The box is marked with a number in it: 270. What does that mean?

I understand the points of view of all responses.

What is a troll? Some sort of diehard forum talker slang with a negative connotation? If so -- Ha.

tammy8833 · 05-23-2010, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiki

The box is marked with a number in it: 270. What does that mean?

I understand the points of view of all responses.

What is a troll? Some sort of diehard forum talker slang with a negative connotation? If so -- Ha.

A TROLL is someone who comes on to a forum..with common sense questions and likes to stir up trouble

cj125 · 05-23-2010, 04:42 PM

Hi - Welcome to YorkieTalk!

What's your boy's name? Do you know how to post a picture? We'd love to see him.

Can you tell us what lines he come from?

Just curious but how did you "inherit" him? Did he belong to a relative who has passed away?

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but now that the breeder has been contacted and has an idea that you might want to breed this boy - I think she can contact AKC and advise them not to permit any of his litters to be registered.

I think the most important thing is - your word. I still believe in honor and believe that if that's what was promised - that's how it should be.

Whomever you inherited this boy from didn't seem to keep their word to this breeder or this boy would have been neutered - I hope you do that for them.

I hope you stick around this site. If you're really interested in breeding - this is the best place for you. Please take the time to read and research everything that goes into breeding and raising Yorkies before you get started.

Dixies Mom · 05-23-2010, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiki

We have a new male purebred Yorkshire Terrier that we inherited. He is 4 years old and still has his testicles. We would like to breed him. We have his record papers, but he has not been registered with the AKC. We were able to get in touch with the breeder and were told that he is not supposed to be bred (as stated in verbal agreement with original purchaser). In the paperwork there is a field for designating whether or not it's OK to breed him, but it is not blacked out to indicate that he is not supposed to be bred. In other words, there is no documentation that confirms the breeders claim.

As new owners we would like to breed him, but have no idea how to proceed. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to properly move forward with breeding him, given the aforementioned situation.

Thanks for your help!

I'm sorry I miss read this however, I do stand by my previous post, the breeders wishes should be honored.

MyTrixie143 · 05-23-2010, 05:55 PM

If the breeder said he isn't suppose to be bred then he shouldn't be, period.

This is exactly why some breeders are now spaying/neutering before placing in homes!!

MaddiesMommie · 05-23-2010, 06:05 PM

Here are some things from the YT Library you may want to read over.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-answered.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...neutering.html

05-23-2010, 02:43 PM	#1
wiki YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denver, Colorado, United States Posts: 2	Breeding question... We have a new male purebred Yorkshire Terrier that we inherited. He is 4 years old and still has his testicles. We would like to breed him. We have his record papers, but he has not been registered with the AKC. We were able to get in touch with the breeder and were told that he is not supposed to be bred (as stated in verbal agreement with original purchaser). In the paperwork there is a field for designating whether or not it's OK to breed him, but it is not blacked out to indicate that he is not supposed to be bred. In other words, there is no documentation that confirms the breeders claim. As new owners we would like to breed him, but have no idea how to proceed. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to properly move forward with breeding him, given the aforementioned situation. Thanks for your help!

05-23-2010, 03:39 PM	#2
Lizzie07 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ball Ground, GA Posts: 1,262	Why do you want to breed him? What do you know about his pedigree and the health of the dogs in said pedigree? This is a breed with a LOT of health problems and that is exacerbated by the fact that people are breeding YTs without knowing what is behind the dog. Are all the dogs in your dog's pedigree healthy? How is his temperament, his confirmation? What health tests should be done before breeding? Should he be CERF'd, OFA? What about the bitch you are going to breed him to? There are a lot of people on this list who have had to care for dogs with serious genetic problems, and have had their hearts broken for the pain the dog has to suffer. An AKC registration does not insure the dog was well bred, I am sorry to say. Look at all the puppies coming from puppymills with AKC registrations. There might be a reason the breeder doesn't want the dog bred. __________________ Kristan Lizzy's mom

05-23-2010, 03:56 PM	#6
tammy8833 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: VA Posts: 2,775	ok if im reading it right..its says he is NOT akc so therefore you seen nothing proving or backing up the breeders claim that he is not allowed to be bred? if thats right he is probably registered with another group..ckc, apri..etc.. these groups do not list restrictions they do not monitor breeding ethics BUT if the breeder told you DO NOT BREED THIS DOG..there is a reason for that..could be genetics are bad and you wouldn't want to reproduce a litter of genetically disturbed puppies that you would be financially responsible for would you? there are reasons why a breeder who specifically tell you no and to do it anyways is just immature..sorry what is your purpose for breeding him?... if you ask anyone on here im pretty laid back on alot of things and bump heads about fussing at people on here...but this seems common sense... "sniff sniff" could it be a troll? __________________ Tammy YT Gallery Lil Girl Princess & Theodore *Gidget R.I.P** Last edited by tammy8833; 05-23-2010 at 04:00 PM.

05-23-2010, 04:28 PM	#10
wiki YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denver, Colorado, United States Posts: 2	270 The box is marked with a number in it: 270. What does that mean? I understand the points of view of all responses. What is a troll? Some sort of diehard forum talker slang with a negative connotation? If so -- Ha.

05-23-2010, 04:42 PM	#12
cj125 Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,403	Hi - Welcome to YorkieTalk! What's your boy's name? Do you know how to post a picture? We'd love to see him. Can you tell us what lines he come from? Just curious but how did you "inherit" him? Did he belong to a relative who has passed away? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but now that the breeder has been contacted and has an idea that you might want to breed this boy - I think she can contact AKC and advise them not to permit any of his litters to be registered. I think the most important thing is - your word. I still believe in honor and believe that if that's what was promised - that's how it should be. Whomever you inherited this boy from didn't seem to keep their word to this breeder or this boy would have been neutered - I hope you do that for them. I hope you stick around this site. If you're really interested in breeding - this is the best place for you. Please take the time to read and research everything that goes into breeding and raising Yorkies before you get started. __________________ *Connie* Mia Max Moe Last edited by cj125; 05-23-2010 at 04:44 PM.

05-23-2010, 03:41 PM	#3
Dixies Mom YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 258	You are probably not going to like what I have to say however, you have ask for advice. The fact that the breeder has colored in the box with the numbers indicating full registration (meaning limited registration aka no breeding rights) you spoke with the breeder and are informed of their wishes and intentions, you should honor them and not bred the male.

05-23-2010, 03:47 PM	#5
yorkielady06 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Up North Posts: 808	Why do you want to breed him? He was sold as a pet by the breeder, correct? Breeders usually have contracts written and signed by the original owners that state the dog will be spayed or neutered. They do this for dogs that are of pet quality. Your inherited dog should be neutered as the breeder wishes in my opinion. Do you realize that once a male is studded out he marks. An intact male dogs urine sprayed in the house is very strong and most cleaners do not get it out. Not to mention before you were to breed this guy you need to have his hips, elbows and knees xrayed. Eyes done with CERF, Bile acid test, brucellosis test. All these must be clean and clear prior to breeding to ensure the health of the babies and female you breed with. Also the female should be tested for all that also. Plus you need to be willing to stand behind each puppy that your male sires. Big responsibilities that you are wanting to undertake. I hope you do your homework first.

05-23-2010, 04:13 PM	#8
tjdmom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: upstate ny Posts: 5,847	If I read your post correctly, he is AKC but the original owner never sent in the paperwork to register him and now you have inherited him along with his papers. You just need to send them in (i think there's a late fee as it's been so long) and the breeder neglected to fill in the box so he has a full registration. Am I correct? First of all, what are your reasons for wanting to breed him? If the original breeder intended to sell him with a limited registration, i would assume they feel that he is not up to standard? If that is the case, I'm not sure why you want to breed him and not sure who would be willing to pay stud fees.

05-23-2010, 05:55 PM	#14
MyTrixie143 Mom to 6 Beautiful Furkids Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,409	If the breeder said he isn't suppose to be bred then he shouldn't be, period. This is exactly why some breeders are now spaying/neutering before placing in homes!! __________________ A dog is a furry person! http://www.dogster.com/?300866 Tracey and the gang DestinyHarmonyScamperGracieLillieKiwi Hershey Peppi

05-23-2010, 06:05 PM	#15
MaddiesMommie LoveMy2 Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 4,060	Here are some things from the YT Library you may want to read over. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-answered.html http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...neutering.html Last edited by MaddiesMommie; 05-23-2010 at 06:06 PM.