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EmmaD · 10-31-2009, 07:26 AM

One of Angels little boys is getting very weak and has lost alot of weight, he does not seem to get getting warm from anything. I have brought some puppy replacement milk but I dont want to try feeding him whilst he is cold. He huddles up to mum and littermates and there is a heat lamp on him but he still feels cold.

What should I do?

bjh · 10-31-2009, 07:35 AM

It may be too late. You could get him to a vet and perhaps a vet could save him. He needs his body temperature raised and he probably needs an iv of fluids. How old is the pup?

Here is a excellent article that has a recipe for a glucose solution (10th paragraph) you can make and give a pup orally but it sounds like you may have waited too long for it to help.
http://www.showpapillons.com/formula.htm

I pray the little guy makes it. Sometimes no matter how hard we try, some of them just can't make it. Please keep us updated.

EmmaD · 10-31-2009, 07:49 AM

He is a week old today. He seemed fine yesterday but today he seems so much smaller and weaker than the other puppies.

bjh · 10-31-2009, 07:57 AM

You mentioned a heat lamp. Are you sure they are not getting too hot. If they get too hot they will get dehydrated. Also, if it the momma gets to hot that will slow down her milk production. I think the pup really needs a ringer solution and the vet would have to give that to him. If his body is feeling cold that means his organs are shutting down and you need to do some immediately.

EmmaD · 10-31-2009, 08:05 AM

Yes I only turn the lamp on when it is cold so it is not on all the time. I just weighed him and in 2 days he has gone from 5 1/4 oz to 3 oz

His body is cold to the touch but I cant get anywhere right now as everywhere nearby will be closed and the nearest emergency vets is about an hour away. I read the article on the glucose solution but im not too sure what corn syrup is

Should I just be prepared to lose this little guy? I dont want to give up on him but his chances are looking slim.

EmmaD · 10-31-2009, 08:19 AM

Ok I have had a look around on the internet and have discovered that white corn syrup is similar to golden syrup in the UK, should i try using this or is it too risky?

bjh · 10-31-2009, 08:20 AM

That is a lot of weight for him to loose. Corn syrup is a clear syrup that is used in a lot of baking recipes. Over here in the U.S. it is often referred to as Karo syrup because that is a popular brand over here.

Here is a recipe for making your own:
How to Make Your Own Corn Syrup | eHow.com

Do you have a heating pad where you can take the pup away from mom and warm him up?

There is also a 'sticky' at the top of the breeders section for a special formula for weak puppies but you would have to have some liver to make that recipe.

bjh · 10-31-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EmmaD

Ok I have had a look around on the internet and have discovered that white corn syrup is similar to golden syrup in the UK, should i try using this or is it too risky?

If it looks like a clear light colored syrup then it is probably the same things. What does the ingredients say on the bottle. If you really want to save him then you should get him to the vet. He may be too far gone for the oral solution to help him. He probably needs fluids injected under the skin.

EmmaD · 10-31-2009, 08:27 AM

The only kind of heatmats I have are the kind used for reptiles. Would that be suitable?

And thanks for the recipe, i will sort that out now

bjh · 10-31-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by EmmaD

The only kind of heatmats I have are the kind used for reptiles. Would that be suitable?

And thanks for the recipe, i will sort that out now

That might work as long as they don't get over 101 degrees. If you think he is warm enough where he is then he might be okay. If he is dieing then just heat alone will not help him. He needs glucose.

Woogie Man · 10-31-2009, 09:46 AM

If the pup is dehydrated, he will need fluids injected under the skin. It is a saline type solution that I've gotten from the vet before. I don't think you can use just straight saline like you might use for cleaning contact lenses. The solution I got from my vet was a sodium chloride solution. You may be able to get it from a pharmacy but not sure if you would need a prescription or not. To check for dehydration, pick up some skin along the back and release it. It should spring back into place quickly. If it doesn't, he is dehydrated. You can compare him with another pup to see if it's different or not.

Giving glucose or liver broth orally are both great but if he's dehydrated, he must have fluids injected to give him a chance. The fluid, if you give it, may be warmed to body temp before injection but do not get it hot.

EmmaD · 10-31-2009, 10:11 AM

He appears to be hydrated. I did the pinch test and it sprung back. He also feels a bit warmer now too. I have made some of the liver solution and have just given that to him, so fingers crossed =]

Thanks for the help and quick replies

Woogie Man · 10-31-2009, 10:22 AM

The typical recommended dosage for sub-q fluids is 10-15 ml (cc) per pound of body weight. You would inject it like you would a vaccine. If there's a lump after injection, gravity will distribute the fluid.

This pup really should be seen by a vet. I'm only offering this info if that is not possible. When I did this before, it was only after seeing my vet and following through on his instructions. With a very young pup, it's critical to get proper treatment quickly if you hope to save him.

Woogie Man · 10-31-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by EmmaD

He appears to be hydrated. I did the pinch test and it sprung back. He also feels a bit warmer now too. I have made some of the liver solution and have just given that to him, so fingers crossed =]

Thanks for the help and quick replies

You must have posted as i was typing. It's good that's he's hydrated. Best of luck with him. It's so hard to see the little ones not do well.

EmmaD · 10-31-2009, 10:29 AM

Im not sure but maybe you misread what I wrote? The puppy appears to be nice and hydrated. I will keep checking him to make sure and if he becomes dehydrated I will definately take him to the vet.

10-31-2009, 07:26 AM	#1
EmmaD Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: England Posts: 43	Help needed, losing a puppy. One of Angels little boys is getting very weak and has lost alot of weight, he does not seem to get getting warm from anything. I have brought some puppy replacement milk but I dont want to try feeding him whilst he is cold. He huddles up to mum and littermates and there is a heat lamp on him but he still feels cold. What should I do?

10-31-2009, 09:46 AM	#11
Woogie Man Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,564	If the pup is dehydrated, he will need fluids injected under the skin. It is a saline type solution that I've gotten from the vet before. I don't think you can use just straight saline like you might use for cleaning contact lenses. The solution I got from my vet was a sodium chloride solution. You may be able to get it from a pharmacy but not sure if you would need a prescription or not. To check for dehydration, pick up some skin along the back and release it. It should spring back into place quickly. If it doesn't, he is dehydrated. You can compare him with another pup to see if it's different or not. Giving glucose or liver broth orally are both great but if he's dehydrated, he must have fluids injected to give him a chance. The fluid, if you give it, may be warmed to body temp before injection but do not get it hot. __________________ ORANGUTANS ARE DYING FOR THE SAKE OF CHEAP PALM OIL....AND YOU USE IT!!! http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ani...m-oil-you.html

10-31-2009, 10:22 AM	#13
Woogie Man Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,564	The typical recommended dosage for sub-q fluids is 10-15 ml (cc) per pound of body weight. You would inject it like you would a vaccine. If there's a lump after injection, gravity will distribute the fluid. This pup really should be seen by a vet. I'm only offering this info if that is not possible. When I did this before, it was only after seeing my vet and following through on his instructions. With a very young pup, it's critical to get proper treatment quickly if you hope to save him. __________________ ORANGUTANS ARE DYING FOR THE SAKE OF CHEAP PALM OIL....AND YOU USE IT!!! http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ani...m-oil-you.html

10-31-2009, 07:35 AM	#2
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	It may be too late. You could get him to a vet and perhaps a vet could save him. He needs his body temperature raised and he probably needs an iv of fluids. How old is the pup? Here is a excellent article that has a recipe for a glucose solution (10th paragraph) you can make and give a pup orally but it sounds like you may have waited too long for it to help. http://www.showpapillons.com/formula.htm I pray the little guy makes it. Sometimes no matter how hard we try, some of them just can't make it. Please keep us updated.

10-31-2009, 07:49 AM	#3
EmmaD Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: England Posts: 43	He is a week old today. He seemed fine yesterday but today he seems so much smaller and weaker than the other puppies.

10-31-2009, 07:57 AM	#4
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	You mentioned a heat lamp. Are you sure they are not getting too hot. If they get too hot they will get dehydrated. Also, if it the momma gets to hot that will slow down her milk production. I think the pup really needs a ringer solution and the vet would have to give that to him. If his body is feeling cold that means his organs are shutting down and you need to do some immediately.

10-31-2009, 08:05 AM	#5
EmmaD Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: England Posts: 43	Yes I only turn the lamp on when it is cold so it is not on all the time. I just weighed him and in 2 days he has gone from 5 1/4 oz to 3 oz His body is cold to the touch but I cant get anywhere right now as everywhere nearby will be closed and the nearest emergency vets is about an hour away. I read the article on the glucose solution but im not too sure what corn syrup is Should I just be prepared to lose this little guy? I dont want to give up on him but his chances are looking slim.

10-31-2009, 08:19 AM	#6
EmmaD Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: England Posts: 43	Ok I have had a look around on the internet and have discovered that white corn syrup is similar to golden syrup in the UK, should i try using this or is it too risky?

10-31-2009, 08:20 AM	#7
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	That is a lot of weight for him to loose. Corn syrup is a clear syrup that is used in a lot of baking recipes. Over here in the U.S. it is often referred to as Karo syrup because that is a popular brand over here. Here is a recipe for making your own: How to Make Your Own Corn Syrup \| eHow.com Do you have a heating pad where you can take the pup away from mom and warm him up? There is also a 'sticky' at the top of the breeders section for a special formula for weak puppies but you would have to have some liver to make that recipe.

10-31-2009, 08:27 AM	#9
EmmaD Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: England Posts: 43	The only kind of heatmats I have are the kind used for reptiles. Would that be suitable? And thanks for the recipe, i will sort that out now

10-31-2009, 10:11 AM	#12
EmmaD Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: England Posts: 43	He appears to be hydrated. I did the pinch test and it sprung back. He also feels a bit warmer now too. I have made some of the liver solution and have just given that to him, so fingers crossed =] Thanks for the help and quick replies

10-31-2009, 10:29 AM	#15
EmmaD Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: England Posts: 43	Im not sure but maybe you misread what I wrote? The puppy appears to be nice and hydrated. I will keep checking him to make sure and if he becomes dehydrated I will definately take him to the vet.