glenda beaver's pups?

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by bildio

I think you should stop using GB as a tool to support your puppy mill agenda. It's really repetitive & tiring. As far as puppy mills are concerned you preaching the same sermon, over and over and over againg, to the choir.

What is repetative and tiring are members that continually turn things around to defend the actions. Yes, it is tiring and yes I am repetative and I'm probably wasting my time but if it gets through to just one person than it's worth it. And, yes she is a tool but she made herself that tool. Elaine

[Nancy1999]

I wish someone would address what is the goal in all these threads? Is the goal to encourage people not to buy from Glenda, and put her out of business? It sounds like some of you, believe she should no longer be breeding.

Is the goal to get her to stop delivering any dogs to Puppy Love? Perhaps starting a thread, and having people sign a petition or send an e-mail will encourage her to end this practice, if it is indeed an ongoing thing. I think many of us agree that sending the dogs to a Pet Store is wrong; I think we disagree on whether she no longer has anything positive to contribute to breeding. So lets help change what many of us think is wrong.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Sounds like you know her personally.

I don't know her personally. The truth be known I spoke to her briefly, well over a year ago after losing my Newman to cancer. I found her to be very nice on the phone and almost bought an older pup from her (one year old) but realized that I was not ready. I also(if you've gone back and read any of my posts) have always spoken highly of her (Based on the reputation that followed her and based on my conversation with her) however, AFTER seeing evidence of activity that I do not support, I would not buy from her and I would not reccomend her. I believe that people make a mistake and that they should be forgiven for the mistake if they've learned from it but in my opinion this went on too many times for it to be considered a mistake.

What does reputable mean? I know a broker who sells beautiful, healthy pups and I know a petstore that sells healthy pups but are they reputable?

To me reputation goes far beyond the quality or health of a pup. I look at the moral character of the person as well, and if others do not consider that then that's their right but it's also my right to feel as I do.

And, I'm really done now with this thread.

Elaine

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

First off what has been posted on a "message board" has been proven through authentic documentation that has been posted right here on YT. Secondly, a mistake is something you do once, maybe even twice or even three times but not something you've continually played a part in. And, it's also not a favor for a friend. Glenda may not run a puppymill but she is surely supplying a petstore with pups that originated from who? A reputable breeder? I'd be interested to see just where these pups originated from. I'd also be willing to place a bet on who the "Reputable Breeders" are that supply this pet store as well as others with their pups.

Elaine

Thank you Elaine for continuing to try. Unfortunately, some people will never get *it*, others don't won't to get *it* because they either have one of her dogs or are trying to get one of her dogs. They refuse to see it's not about her dogs, but her ethics.

Originally Posted by larsensyorkies

What exactly did you know about her before the petstore stuff came out? I have a male from her who is beautiful and have seen several threads on here regarding her and her dogs and only seen positive things. I agree that the petstore stuff is horrible and after looking up more about it I'm guessing will not get another dog from her and stop recommending her if I find out its true but I'm very curious, before that what you had against her.

What I knew about Glenda:

One: before her show/breeder days she was a known high volume byb.

Two: her lack of responsibility for the liver shunt yorkie she sold, along with the sick Frenchie that she and her boyfriend sold.

Three: her documented shipping of numerous puppies to a pet store.

These are things I personally am aware of.

And Nancy, my goals in this thread are to try to help stop the puppy mill cycle which starts with those that sell to pet stores, and to let the truth be known about a breeder that has been highly recommended on this site and her lack of ethics as a breeder. It would be great if Glenda does change her practices as a result of this thread.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I don't know her personally. The truth be known I spoke to her briefly, well over a year ago after losing my Newman to cancer. I found her to be very nice on the phone and almost bought an older pup from her (one year old) but realized that I was not ready. I also(if you've gone back and read any of my posts) have always spoken highly of her (Based on the reputation that followed her and based on my conversation with her) however, AFTER seeing evidence of activity that I do not support, I would not buy from her and I would not reccomend her. I believe that people make a mistake and that they should be forgiven for the mistake if they've learned from it but in my opinion this went on too many times for it to be considered a mistake.

What does reputable mean? I know a broker who sells beautiful, healthy pups and I know a petstore that sells healthy pups but are they reputable?

To me reputation goes far beyond the quality or health of a pup. I look at the moral character of the person as well, and if others do not consider that then that's their right but it's also my right to feel as I do.

And, I'm really done now with this thread.

Elaine

So, is it your opinion that she should no longer be breeding?

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

So, is it your opinion that she should no longer be breeding?

It's my opinion that I would not buy a pup from her because I find that atleast some of her business practices are less then what a reputable breeder would allow herself to take part in and these same actions are against morally what I believe in. Reputation to me is not only based on the product we produce but also the way in which we conduct ourselves both ethically and morally. Elaine

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Lolasmom1211

Well, there is certainly no doubt about how many of you feel about Glenda Beavers...you've made yourself perfectly clear - over and over. I hope you never make a mistake or do something you just might regret later. I have never seen such a judgemental bunch...I only hope that those of you that think you are without fault are really as perfect as you think you are! Just out of curiosity - have any of you ever dealt with Glenda personally or even spoken to her, or are you just basing this animosity on things you have read or seen posted on Yorkie Talk - a message board? I really thought this forum was to help people, not to sit in judgement of them....You all state you want to stop puppy mills, it has never been an accusation that Glenda Beavers runs a puppy mill has it??? I still have not seen one negative post from anyone that has personally dealt with or has one of Glenda's dogs. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I've stayed out of this for the most part but it seems to me that the people who think she was wrong to ship puppies to a pet store are basing their opinions on what was posted by Glenda herself. That is she does this as a favor for a friend. Everyone makes mistakes but that isn't what she herself called the many times she did this. She called it a favor. If I had a friend who was doing something I found morally reprehensible, as a friend I would try to help her understand why it was wrong and a better way to do it. If she chose not to listen to my advice I would not for any reason help her 'as a favor' do something I thought was disgusting.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I wish someone would address what is the goal in all these threads? Is the goal to encourage people not to buy from Glenda, and put her out of business? It sounds like some of you, believe she should no longer be breeding.

Is the goal to get her to stop delivering any dogs to Puppy Love? Perhaps starting a thread, and having people sign a petition or send an e-mail will encourage her to end this practice, if it is indeed an ongoing thing. I think many of us agree that sending the dogs to a Pet Store is wrong; I think we disagree on whether she no longer has anything positive to contribute to breeding. So lets help change what many of us think is wrong.

Get involved write letters to newspapers and to the petstores that she sells too, Phone her, send her email.This will make a difference. Dont just sit at your computer and Bark out words that will destroy someone. Actions Speak Louder than Words.... Lissette

[bildio]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I wish someone would address what is the goal in all these threads? Is the goal to encourage people not to buy from Glenda, and put her out of business? It sounds like some of you, believe she should no longer be breeding.

Is the goal to get her to stop delivering any dogs to Puppy Love? Perhaps starting a thread, and having people sign a petition or send an e-mail will encourage her to end this practice, if it is indeed an ongoing thing. I think many of us agree that sending the dogs to a Pet Store is wrong; I think we disagree on whether she no longer has anything positive to contribute to breeding. So lets help change what many of us think is wrong.

The shipping document posted with this thread was dated January 2007. Does anyone have proof that she's shipped pups to a pet store recently?

[Lolasmom1211]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

Thank you for a little bit of common sense.

I know there is a lot of passion around this issue, but the kind of witch hunt that this thread and others like it have turned into just turns my stomach.

Honestly, I read stories of Yorkie abuse at least once a week from people right here on the forum who love their pups, but are clueless about what they really need. People who don't get their dogs to the vet when they need to, use inappropriate discipline, put them in unsafe environments. To hear people on this forum, you would think only breeders are abusive.

No matter who you are or how you deal with your dog, there will be someone who thinks they're doing it better and will condemn you. They always start a sentence with, "Nobody who loves their dog would ever..."

I hope some of you will take a good hard long look in the mirror before you decide to join in the type of character assasination that's going on here.

I think this makes more sense and sums it up better than any post so far!

[ARCHIE]

Originally Posted by Lolasmom1211

I think this makes more sense and sums it up better than any post so far!

However, you wouldn't expect a heartless, uncaring action to come from a
professional

[Lolasmom1211]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

However, you wouldn't expect a heartless, uncaring action to come from a
professional

No, you're right. And unless you have spoken to Glenda personally or have held and seen her dogs, I guess you would not know that those that have, do not think that she is a heartless and uncaring person. I have found her to be one of the most caring people that I have ever spoken to. She is always available and ready to help with any question or problem that I have had with either of my two...one of which did not even come from her.

If someone's goal is to stop puppy mills, the place to start is certainly not with Glenda Beavers. If you have a moral issue with what she has done, that is totally different...

[bildio]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

However, you wouldn't expect a heartless, uncaring action to come from a
professional

Heartless & uncaring ????

[larsensyorkies]

Check out the thread where the whole issue came up - http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...e-issue-2.html
Glenda's post is #25

[bildio]

Originally Posted by larsensyorkies

Check out the thread where the whole issue came up - http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...e-issue-2.html
Glenda's post is #25

I guess I'll just never get it. Shipping yes. Heartless & uncaring ???