Registration

[majic50]

Hey! Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm kind of upset because none of the new families for Cookie's puppies had them registered and it's been almost 6 months.

I did what I was supposed to do. I registered the litter and got all the little certificates the new families needed to register their babies and I sent one home with each of them.

I was wondering if anybody registers their babies before they go to new homes.

[a2luckygirl]

a lot of "pet" owners do not get them registered!
I bought my sister a $1000.00 red poodle- she did not register it! really if not used for breeding- or showing- what do you do with it???

[bjh]

Many pet buyers don't bother to send the papers in and some wait almost a year. AKC gives you up to a year to register your pup and then the rate will go up.

[Sugar's Mom]

i registered a whole litter last year. Online, you can do a litter registration andd individual registrations all at the same time and it is a lot cheaper. Plus, you get control over the name. Not sure if they are doing that this year or not. I am fixing to do the litter I have now the same way because they are staying with me. At least for a very long time. I did sell a puppy to a lady in Texas that still hasn't sent his papers in. He is about 16 or 17 months old and she bought him for a stud so I would think papers are important to her.

[Nancy1999]

This is one of my pet peeves; hardly anyone on the forum registers their pups. I don't think they understand the importance of it and since, I'm still a novice; I don't feel qualified telling them how important it is. They believe if you're not going to breed or show there is no reason to register. They also have been given this information by their breeders and often told it costs hundreds to do so. I think it costs less than $30.00 to register Joey and they keep his microchip number on record for that fee. It's even less if you don't want that feature.

It seems to me registering pups helps keep the breeders honest. Lots of people claim their dogs are AKC eligible that aren't, and this isn't found out until someone tries to register the pups. Also, they can crack down on people who are claiming their pups only have X amount of liters a year. I also think the AKC does fine work, and wish to support it through registering my dog. These are just personal reasons, and I have yet to read that anyone agrees with me or add to this list.

So please tell us why is it important to register our dogs.

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

.....It seems to me registering pups helps keep the breeders honest. Lots of people claim their dogs are AKC eligible that aren't, and this isn't found out until someone tries to register the pups. Also, they can crack down on people who are claiming their pups only have X amount of liters a year. I also think the AKC does fine work, and wish to support it through registering my dog. These are just personal reasons, and I have yet to read that anyone agrees with me or add to this list.

So please tell us why is it important to register our dogs.

I understand all your reason(s) except this one....and I probably am being dense here, but it isn't the new owner registering the pups that causes the litter to be counted (like for the AKC frequently used sire DNA requirements). It is the breeder's registering of the litter. Do you mean that if buyers want registration, then breeders are more likely to register the litters? Not trying to be picky, I just don't understand what you mean.

[majic50]

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

I understand all your reason(s) except this one....and I probably am being dense here, but it isn't the new owner registering the pups that causes the litter to be counted (like for the AKC frequently used sire DNA requirements). It is the breeder's registering of the litter. Do you mean that if buyers want registration, then breeders are more likely to register the litters? Not trying to be picky, I just don't understand what you mean.

This is what I don't understand. I understood from the families of Cookie's puppies that they were looking for puppies that were or could be AKC registered. My puppies were, why was it so important to them if they haven't taken the time to register them? I know a person who doesn't even register her litters unless someone wants a registered puppy. I'm not going to do that, but it is very frustrating. Well, maybe it isn't frustrating to everyone LOL

[majic50]

Originally Posted by a2luckygirl

a lot of "pet" owners do not get them registered!
I bought my sister a $1000.00 red poodle- she did not register it! really if not used for breeding- or showing- what do you do with it???

Comformation isn't the only thing to be registered for. Yorkies can compete in other AKC events and it doesn't matter if they're spay/neutered. They can get a different kind of registration (I've forgotten at the moment what you call it, duh!) to compete, but they have to send in a whole bunch of papers and pictures, etc that they wouldn't have to do if their puppies were already AKC registered.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

I understand all your reason(s) except this one....and I probably am being dense here, but it isn't the new owner registering the pups that causes the litter to be counted (like for the AKC frequently used sire DNA requirements). It is the breeder's registering of the litter. Do you mean that if buyers want registration, then breeders are more likely to register the litters? Not trying to be picky, I just don't understand what you mean.

I'm pretty dense myself and have many more questions than answers on this topic. I believe the breeder registers the group, and the new owner register the individual pup. Although some breeders do the whole thing which is what I think I would prefer. A breeder could register 4 puppies lets say, but sell many more than that and claim they were AKC eligible because one of his dogs was registered.

I know the AKC has stricter requirements for breeders who are have over a certain number of liters a year, also they have requirements of how many liters a mother can have a year. So some breeder's could bait and switch puppies being sold. They might have one female that's AKC eligible and several who are not, and claim all their puppies came from the AKC mother, but if no one bothers to register who's going to check this out. My question is, "why would a breeder discourage people from registering". I have read about this so many times and I was involved in the purchase of a dog whose breeder claimed it was eligible, but it would cost several hundred dollars so why bother. Why are so many people claiming it is so expensive to register a dog? Many many people on the forum have written this same thing, so there has to be a reason why some breeders are discouraging this. It is my opinion that many people who haven't registered their dogs may be in for a big surprise if the try to register, and their dog isn't AKC eligible after all. I hope a knowledgeable breeder will reply to this thread.

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm pretty dense myself and have many more questions than answers on this topic. I believe the breeder registers the group, and the new owner register the individual pup. Although some breeders do the whole thing which is what I think I would prefer. A breeder could register 4 puppies lets say, but sell many more than that and claim they were AKC eligible because one of his dogs was registered.

I know the AKC has stricter requirements for breeders who are have over a certain number of liters a year, also they have requirements of how many liters a mother can have a year. So some breeder's could bait and switch puppies being sold. They might have one female that's AKC eligible and several who are not, and claim all their puppies came from the AKC mother, but if no one bothers to register who's going to check this out. My question is, "why would a breeder discourage people from registering". I have read about this so many times and I was involved in the purchase of a dog whose breeder claimed it was eligible, but it would cost several hundred dollars so why bother. Why are so many people claiming it is so expensive to register a dog? Many many people on the forum have written this same thing, so there has to be a reason why some breeders are discouraging this. It is my opinion that many people who haven't registered their dogs may be in for a big surprise if the try to register, and their dog isn't AKC eligible after all. I hope a knowledgeable breeder will reply to this thread.

Ok, I see what you are saying now. You know, unfortunately, you are probably right about why some breeders discourage registering. Even if they did register the litter, they could easily have been dishonest about the sire and dam. Because AKC doesn't have the time to inspect and DNA everyone's dogs and puppies, they still could easily slip through. However, by discouraging new owners from registering, they avoid a lot of possible questions down the road. I don't know why they just can't be honest about it in the first place.

AKC has requirements on the age of the sire and dam, and require frequently used sires to be DNA registered (as well as imported breeding stock; dogs whose semen is collected for fresh-extended or frozen use; and for the sires, dam and puppies for Multiple-Sired Litter Registration.) However, I do not remember reading about a requirement regarding the number of litters a dam
can have a year.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

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I know the AKC has stricter requirements for breeders who are have over a certain number of liters a year, also they have requirements of how many liters a mother can have a year.

AKC does not regulate how many times or how often you can bred your dog. What they do is if your dog sires 3 or more litters in one year or 5 lifetime then you are required to purchase a DNA kit and send in your males DNA so it will be on file. The AKC inspector just makes sure your dogs look healthy, that you are keeping your dogs in a clean environment with plenty of space for each dog and they will check your breeding records against what they have on file and they will sometimes take DNA samples of a litter and the sire and dam to make sure the parents are who you say they are. I know breeders that pass AKC inspection but they are keeping their dogs in outside buildings and in an environment that I don't approve of but that is just me.

It is very important for a breeder when you sell a puppy to fill out the puppy registration form and DO NOT just sign the form and let them fill out the rest later. My first few years of breeding that is what I did because I did not know any better. If you don't fill out the buyers name on the form and have them sign it then later if they sell the puppy to someone else before registering the dog in their name then AKC's records will not match yours and you can get in trouble.

Many puppy buyers are just not interested in the papers because they are not interested in breeding and they just want the papers as proof that the dog can be registered and it shows proof of ownership.

[majic50]

The only reasons I could see why someone would say it cost hundreds of dollars to register a dog is if that breeder is lying about the parents being AKC registered or they haven't been following AKC procedures.

My sister bought a little Beagle, supposedly AKC registerable and the breeder/seller told her it would cost her $400 to register it

[bjh]

Originally Posted by majic50

The only reasons I could see why someone would say it cost hundreds of dollars to register a dog is if that breeder is lying about the parents being AKC registered or they haven't been following AKC procedures.

My sister bought a little Beagle, supposedly AKC registerable and the breeder/seller told her it would cost her $400 to register it

You are right. Some breeders use that as an excuse to get more money from puppy buyers. It just cost $33 to get litter registration papers for a litter of 4. Many times the parents are AKC registered but some breeders are so afraid of being inspected by AKC that they will double register their dogs with CKC or APR and not get AKC papers because they know if they register very many AKC litters they can be inspected.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by bjh

AKC does not regulate how many times or how often you can bred your dog. What they do is if your dog sires 3 or more litters in one year or 5 lifetime then you are required to purchase a DNA kit and send in your males DNA so it will be on file. The AKC inspector just makes sure your dogs look healthy, that you are keeping your dogs in a clean environment with plenty of space for each dog and they will check your breeding records against what they have on file and they will sometimes take DNA samples of a litter and the sire and dam to make sure the parents are who you say they are. I know breeders that pass AKC inspection but they are keeping their dogs in outside buildings and in an environment that I don't approve of but that is just me.

It is very important for a breeder when you sell a puppy to fill out the puppy registration form and DO NOT just sign the form and let them fill out the rest later. My first few years of breeding that is what I did because I did not know any better. If you don't fill out the buyers name on the form and have them sign it then later if they sell the puppy to someone else before registering the dog in their name then AKC's records will not match yours and you can get in trouble.

Many puppy buyers are just not interested in the papers because they are not interested in breeding and they just want the papers as proof that the dog can be registered and it shows proof of ownership.

Thank you for clearing those things up. I was wondering, does the YTCA have a limit on the number of litters a year a mother can have? Where did I get that idea???

I was reading the AKC website and these are some of the things the AKC does with registration fees.

1. Kennel inspections ensure the integrity of the AKC registry and monitor care and conditions at kennels across the country. The AKC is the only purebred dog registry in the United States that maintains a systematic and sustained investigation and inspection effort. The AKC conducts approximately 5,000 inspections each year to ensure compliance with standards that support the health, safety, and welfare of dogs and the environments in which they live.
2. The Canine Health Foundation (CHF) ) works to improve the quality of life for dogs and their owners by funding research projects focusing on the genetics of disease, the canine genome map, and clinical studies.
3. The AKC supports professional and volunteer canine search-and-rescue (SAR) organizations throughout the United States through its national program, DOGNYSM — America’s Tribute to Search and Rescue Dogs. SAR dogs came into the spotlight after the attacks on September 11, 2001. But few people are aware of how instrumental SAR dogs are in maintaining the safety and security of our communities on a daily basis. The AKC supports SAR dog organizations with grants from the AKC-CAR Canine Support and Relief Fund and promotes awareness of their vital public service. To date, DOGNYSM fundraising efforts have raised more than $2.5 million for the support of canine SAR organizations throughout America.
4. The AKC Canine Good Citizen® (CGC) program is a certification program designed to reward dogs who have good manners at home and in the community. CGC is a two-part program that stresses responsible dog ownership for owners and basic good manners for dogs. Each year, the AKC certifies more than 25,000 dogs as official Canine Good Citizens®.
5. Public Education The AKC works with dog club volunteers, teachers, and librarians across the country to educate children and adults about the responsibilities of dog ownership, basic dog care and training, and safety around dogs.
6. Government Relations This department monitors and provides input for federal, state, and local legislation governing responsible dog ownership. Sign up for legislative alerts about dog laws that may affect you at the “Legislative Alerts” section of www.akc.org.
7. DNA profiling. The AKC has built the world’s largest database of canine DNA profiles for the purposes of parentage verification and genetic identity. AKC uses DNA certification to ensure reliable registration records vital to the preservation and advancement of purebred dogs.

All this for $20.00 one time fee. I encourage everyone to try to get others to register.


For more information on these things see: http://www.akc.org/public_education/regpromo.cfm

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Thank you for clearing those things up. I was wondering, does the YTCA have a limit on the number of litters a year a mother can have? Where did I get that idea???

The YTCA does not regulate how often you breed your dog. They can make recommendations and that is all. I agree with you that the AKC is a very good organization and I have no problems with there fees. They have done much to help the dog world but we all must realize it is a business and like so many other businesses they have to come up with ways to generate income.